Oh no!

[Jarred1]

I just bought a Miami Hurricane chalice frag and dipped it in iodine for less than a minute. I then put it in the tank and it began to shed mucus and then it turned black, you can see some of the mucus in the picture?!?!?! Is this normal?

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1230.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1232.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1236.jpg

[bluwc]

You will see mucas when touching a chalice or sps, that is common. But for it to turn black, no that's not common. Best thing to do is leave it alone and hope it comes back. Put it in a low flow area and don't mess with it. I'd be asking for a refund though because it shouldn't have done that. It will take months for it to come back, if it does.

[Jarred1]

He isn't going to give me a refund, he said it looked fine in his tank and that it must be my water. I have 3 other chalice that are growing just fine so I highly doubt the water caused this.

[bluwc]

Probably a bad frag. Did he just do it minutes before you got there? Well hoepfully it will come back but I wouldn't be doing any more business with him, that's for sure.

[Jarred1]

It was fragged a few days prior, this guy has always been fair with me though. He has 2 more frags but I don't want to pay again for something that just died.

[Sir Patrick]

Are chalices able to handle an iodine dip? I could be wrong, but I dont think iodine is a good choice for many corals.....someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Normally I only iodine dip zoas/palys.

[bluwc]

Are chalices able to handle an iodine dip? I could be wrong, but I dont think iodine is a good choice for many corals.....someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Normally I only iodine dip zoas/palys.
I thought you only iodine dip after you frag something or if there is an infection. Does iodine do anything for pests? I know it helps "heal" the fragged coral but not sure about chalices. That's why I use Coral RX, it kills the bugs.

[Jarred1]

Iodine does knock the little critters out!

[jimsflies]

Iodine does knock the little critters out!

Apparently it knocks out chalices too. :boxing2:

I personally would not use iodine on LPS or SPS. In fact, I have gotten away from it on all corals. With Coral Rx and Revive on the market, they are a lot easier on the coral tissue. Zoanthids, while can protect themselves by closing, still get very stressed with an iodine dip...even more so with the famous freshwater dip.

Your chalice may in fact benefit from a dip of Revive because it does have some antibacterial properties to slow any infections that might set in. Put it in a lower area of light that receives good indirect flow and hope for the best.

Also I keep in mind what the stock is that I am adding and whether they are prone to pests and if so, which ones. For the most part, chalices aren't one of those corals that seem to come in with bugs, flatworms or nudis. So I generally look at them and watch them right after adding to the tank to see if anything crawls around on them and don't dip them.

[nate_newton]

Do you have a picture of the miami hurricane being offered or the frag pre shipping?

[Sir Patrick]

+1 to the revive or coral rx.

[Jarred1]

Do you have a picture of the miami hurricane being offered or the frag pre shipping?

I don't but I pick it up my self from the guy selling it.

[nate_newton]

I don't but I pick it up my self from the guy selling it.

I think leaving it alone might be the best thing or it, miami hurricane isn't a cheap chalice.

[schminksbro]

Iodine kills more corals than it helps. It may or may not cause pests to drop off ( it rarely kills them) but I would never dip a chalice in it. Echinopora is a very sensitive and delicate coral. Like others have said Iodine is a poor choice of dips for pretty much any coral now that products such as Revive and Coralrx are available. Tropic Marin Pro Coral Cure is also an iodine based product. I would avoid it as well especially with delicate corals.

That said Echinopora commonly browns when stressed. Follow the advice others posted above and watch for tissue recession.

[bluwc]

And I said in chat, if you see the skeleton and algae starts to grow on it, make sure you snip it off because it can take over the chalice...or what's left of it.

[schminksbro]

I would also add that that chalice frag looks to be very freshly cut. You want to purchase frags after they achieve a nice fleshy rounded edge. It usually takes only a couple of days for this to occur.

[rmalone]

I have used the Tropic marin product, with iodine and it really makes sps angry, I haven't killed one with it but yikes. It's pretty much a known fact not to use Tropic Marin on the smooth skinned acros, such as Hawkins blue, or the other turakis, echinatas, etc. I wasn't aware there were any common pests of chalice, I have just chucked them in the tank (probably not good either).

[jimsflies]

Got an update for us Jarred? Hope it is looking a little better today?

[Jarred1]

It's not looking so good, I highly doubt it is going to survive.

[bluwc]

It's not looking so good, I highly doubt it is going to survive.
Well as long as there is some flesh to it, I'd leave it be. It may take months for it to come back....if it does. unless you see just a white skeleton, it may have some life to it.

[Jarred1]

Well as long as there is some flesh to it, I'd leave it be. It may take months for it to come back....if it does. unless you see just a white skeleton, it may have some life to it.

I can kind of see skeleton but it looks really weird. I'll take a pic right now.

[rmalone]

If it has flesh at all, do not chuck it, there's not enough nutrients to worry about hurting the rest of the tank.
are there any hermits, shrimp or snails picking at it?

[Nano-Newb1983]

sorry to hear about the chalice man, i sure hope it comes back for ya.. i remember other day in chat how excited u were to get it

[Jarred1]

Thanks for every ones support, I think I will just stick with the few chalices I already have and continue to collect zoas. When he told me that I must be my water it really upset me because there is no way my water has anything wrong with it.
Here are pics from the tank that I first introduced the chalice in:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1243.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1242.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1241.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1255.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1258.jpg

Here is how it looks today I can sort of make out two eyes in actinic light only:
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q304/jayrome06/DSCF1238.jpg

[jimsflies]

Thanks for every ones support, I think I will just stick with the few chalices I already have and continue to collect zoas. When he told me that I must be my water it really upset me because there is no way my water has anything wrong with it.


Based on my understanding of what happened, it wasn't your water but the dip that caused it. You picked up the frag, it looked ok, you brought it home, still looked ok, dipped it in the iodine solution after which it looks like your last pic. I don't see how you could blame or even ask the seller to have responsibility for the dip...unless I am missing a step?

We all make mistakes...most of the responses to this thread learned a similar lesson the hard way. But I don't think it is fair to the seller to blame him or her if it was the dip that caused the problem.

[CableGuy]

Based on my understanding of what happened, it wasn't your water but the dip that caused it. You picked up the frag, it looked ok, you brought it home, still looked ok, dipped it in the iodine solution after which it looks like your last pic. I don't see how you could blame or even ask the seller to have responsibility for the dip...unless I am missing a step?

We all make mistakes...most of the responses to this thread learned a similar lesson the hard way. But I don't think it is fair to the seller to blame him or her if it was the dip that caused the problem.

Couldnt agree more. Like Jim said, we all make mistakes.

And another +1 for Coral RX.

[Jarred1]

Thanks, it is going to survive I think. If it dies I can get another one for $25 so its not that bad of a deal. Next time I will not dip in iodine.

[larryandlaura]

We use coral RX iodine has caused a death on a fungia. Sorry for your loss!