Neptune WXM (Vortech Module)

[jimsflies]

My new toy arrived today...this has been on my wish list for more than a year.

Who all has one? Got any tips?

I manually updated the firmware on my MP-10ES and have the pump "attached" to the WXM, and the pump is now a slave to the WXM.

I have to say either the guy making the instructions that come with the WXM is color blind, or they changed the LED colors on newer MP-10 models. Virtually none of the color flashing combos were the same as listed in the manual. Mine was manufactured in March 2010.

Right now I am trying to figure out how to set up the profiles and Vortech outlet.

[CalmSeasQuest]

It's been a long time since I installed and setup the WXM, but FWIW , here's what I use. Pretty simple, 2 tanks, same 2 profiles using Reefcrest and Pulse (standing wave.)


DT
Fallback ReefCrst
Set ReefCrst
If Time 22:00 to 12:00 Then PulseDT
If FeedD 030 Then OFF

FT
Fallback ReefCstF
Set ReefCstF
If Time 22:00 to 12:00 Then Pulse
If FeedD 030 Then OFF

The only difference between PulseDT and Pulse is the timing required to generate the wave in different size tanks.

[jimsflies]

I've got it working now. I'm just running pulse mode today. I want to somehow toggle the OSC command to use another mode in conjunction with the pulse mode. I'm thinking to manage that I may need to create a virtual outlet to function as a switch. So it would run say 45 minutes in pulse, then 45 minutes in tidal swell and so on.

I also have the feed and maintenance profile setup now, so it dials the flow back for a few minutes during a feed cycle.

[jimsflies]

Well here is how my program is shaping up...for now I have one MP-10:

VIRTUAL OUTLETS

Virtual Outlet: V-PUMP
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/015:00/060:00 Then ON

Virtual Outlet: Nite
Fallback ON
Set ON
If Sun -060/060 Then OFF

PROFILES

Profile: DayCres
Vortech Type: Reef Crest
Max Intensity: 70

Profile: NitCres
Vortech Type: Reef Crest
Max Intensity: 50

Profile: Pulse
Vortech Type: Pulse
On Time (Secs): 0.72
Max Intensity: 60

Profile: Feed
Vortech Type: Constant
Max Intensity: 13

WXM OUTLETS

WXM Outlet: Vortech
Fallback ON
Set NitCres
If Outlet V-PUMP = ON Then DayCres
If Outlet V-PUMP = OFF Then Pulse
If Outlet Nite = ON Then NitCres
If FeedA 000 Then feed
If Outlet Maint = ON Then OFF

So basically during the day (day mode), the vortech is in pulse mode for 1 hour then in 70%ReefCrest for 15 minutes, and this repeats. Then one hour before sunset the vortech is in night mode which is 50%ReefCrest until one hour after sunrise, at which point it goes back to day mode.

[MizTanks]

And here I thought I was doing good with ES 2nd set or Lagoon-lol

[jimsflies]

One thing I noticed this morning with the different flow profile at night is the pH dipped lower than usual. As you can see from this graph, the pH dipped lower than normal. (The "V" shape from the night before was the result of me manually turning the lights on earlier than usual. The pH dip on the first day in the graph was from a water change.) I think the lowered pH makes sense as gas exchange is lower when the flow is lower in the tank...this builds up more CO2 and lowers pH.


http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/jimsflies/ph-nitcres.gif

I'll have to keep an eye on pH and whether this seems to have a negative impact on the system. My thoughts for doing this initially was to make the tank a little quieter at night...that and just playing with WXM module. It may be interesting to try a lower flow during the day and higher at night to minimize the pH swings from day to night.

[AJ :)]

Very interesting. I have never run a controller, but I do like how you are able to set night functions.

[CalmSeasQuest]

One thing I noticed this morning with the different flow profile at night is the pH dipped lower than usual. As you can see from this graph, the pH dipped lower than normal. (The "V" shape from the night before was the result of me manually turning the lights on earlier than usual. The pH dip on the first day in the graph was from a water change.) I think the lowered pH makes sense as gas exchange is lower when the flow is lower in the tank...this builds up more CO2 and lowers pH.


http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k621/jimsflies/ph-nitcres.gif

I'll have to keep an eye on pH and whether this seems to have a negative impact on the system. My thoughts for doing this initially was to make the tank a little quieter at night...that and just playing with WXM module. It may be interesting to try a lower flow during the day and higher at night to minimize the pH swings from day to night.
That's quite a drop from just a 20% reduced in ReefCrest. I'd watch it for a few days to make sure it's from your pump profiles and not some other interaction (dosing change, ambient CO2 levels...). I do agree those are large diurnal swings and <~7.6 is not ideal.

[jimsflies]

It's difficult to make generalizations because there are so many variables. For example my vortech is mounted half way down the tank and is aimed between some rocks. It might be that 20% reduction is more significant than if I had it closer to the top with more open placement.

I will post another graph later showing another change I made earlier in the week.

I am not routinely dosing this tank with anything. About the only thing I do is change water every few weeks.

[Tethered_Limbs]

wat does the OSC do in the virtual outlet?

[jimsflies]

That causes the Vortech mode to change between reefcrest and pulse.

If Outlet V-PUMP = ON Then DayCres
If Outlet V-PUMP = OFF Then Pulse

Although I recently changed the two modes to Tidal Swell and Nutrient Transport.

[Tethered_Limbs]

how does it turn on and off tho? what do those numbers mean? ivve got the max amount of code on my vortech outlets so i need to find a way to minimize it

[jimsflies]

how does it turn on and off tho? what do those numbers mean? ivve got the max amount of code on my vortech outlets so i need to find a way to minimize it

That portion of my code is just a virtual outlet to toggle between vortech flow profiles.

If I understand you're question, you are asking how I turn off the Vortech?

All the programming comes together in the outlet I have called "Vortech" ...which if I want to turn off the Vortech completely, I can just set that outlet to "off". Or I also have another outlet called maintenance which if I turn that on, the Vortech will turn off.

I would be happy to look over your program if you want. I would suggest signing up for RussM's site: Reeftronics (http://www.reeftronics.net/). You can then easily copy and paste your entire program into a new thread here (http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=7) on CR that we can try to see if any efficiencies can be created to reduce the code you are using.

[tdb320reef]

Here is my programming and pump profiles for 2 MP60/40/10:

[ MP60Right ] ( 7_1 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP40Right ] ( 7_2 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP60Left ] ( 7_3 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP40Left ] ( 7_4 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP10LEFT ] ( 7_5 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP10RIGT ] ( 7_6 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow



[ ReefCrst ] ( PF25 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Reef Crest
Maximum Intensity: 75

[ TidalSwl ] ( PF26 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Tidal Swell
Maximum Intensity: 75

[ Nutrient ] ( PF27 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Nutrient
Maximum Intensity: 65

[ Night ] ( PF28 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Lagoon Random
Maximum Intensity: 30

[ Sync ] ( PF29 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Sync
Maximum Intensity: 75
Master Pump: MP60Right

[ Anti-Syn ] ( PF30 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Anti-Sync
Maximum Intensity: 75
Master Pump: MP60Right

[ Pulse ] ( PF31 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Pulse
On Time: 5.14
Maximum Intensity: 75

[ Slow ] ( PF32 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Constant
Maximum Intensity: 20

[ Lagoon ] ( PF18 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Lagoon Random
Maximum Intensity: 75

[jimsflies]

That looks like a lot of code!

[Tethered_Limbs]

Here is my programming and pump profiles for 2 MP60/40/10:

[ MP60Right ] ( 7_1 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP40Right ] ( 7_2 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP60Left ] ( 7_3 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP40Left ] ( 7_4 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP10LEFT ] ( 7_5 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow


[ MP10RIGT ] ( 7_6 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Set ON
Fallback ON
Set Pulse
If Time 06:00 to 08:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 09:00 to 10:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 12:00 to 14:00 Then TidalSwl
If Time 16:00 to 18:00 Then Nutrient
If Time 18:00 to 20:00 Then ReefCrst
If Time 20:00 to 22:00 Then Lagoon
If Time 22:00 to 06:00 Then Night
If FeedA 000 Then Slow
If FeedB 000 Then Slow
If FeedC 000 Then Slow



[ ReefCrst ] ( PF25 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Reef Crest
Maximum Intensity: 75

[ TidalSwl ] ( PF26 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Tidal Swell
Maximum Intensity: 75

[ Nutrient ] ( PF27 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Nutrient
Maximum Intensity: 65

[ Night ] ( PF28 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Lagoon Random
Maximum Intensity: 30

[ Sync ] ( PF29 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Sync
Maximum Intensity: 75
Master Pump: MP60Right

[ Anti-Syn ] ( PF30 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Anti-Sync
Maximum Intensity: 75
Master Pump: MP60Right

[ Pulse ] ( PF31 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Pulse
On Time: 5.14
Maximum Intensity: 75

[ Slow ] ( PF32 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Constant
Maximum Intensity: 20

[ Lagoon ] ( PF18 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Lagoon Random
Maximum Intensity: 75

this is more along the lines of wat my code is like. i ramp up from about 20% on my 4 pumps to ~70%. i use 5 lines of code for each ramping cycle. that lets me only do 3 cycles during the day, i would like to squeeze another 1 or 2 in there

[jimsflies]

What are you hoping to achieve with all the modes? There is randomness within each of the modes...so its not like it is flowing at the same rate for two hours.

[Tethered_Limbs]

i have 2 40's on the sides and 2 10's on teh back down low. im trying to just stir things up 4-5x a day to get things off the bottom of my BB 75

[jimsflies]

Seems like putting them all in nutrient transport mode several times a day would stir it up pretty well.

[Tethered_Limbs]

thats what they ramp up to, but i dont want to just go from 10-20% on all pumps to 75%. so i use lagoon, then tidal, then NTM.

[RussM]

I would suggest signing up for RussM's site: Reeftronics (http://www.reeftronics.net/)
There are multiple benefits to signing up as a Reeftronics member, but it's not necessary to be a member to use the various tools I've written such as the program and profile reporter tool. Anyone can use the Reeftronics tools as long as the Apex is accessible from the Internet.

[jimsflies]

There are multiple benefits to signing up as a Reeftronics member, but it's not messeary to be a member to use the various tools I've written such as the program and profile reporter tool. Anyone and use the Reeftronics tools as long as the Apex is accessible from the Internet.

Other nice member features however include text messages or emails whenever communications are lost to the controller...which can indicate a potential power outage.

[RussM]

Other nice member features however include text messages or emails whenever communications are lost to the controller...which can indicate a potential power outage.Yep... the "lost communications" notifications are the least obvious, but IMO, the most important benefit.

[Tethered_Limbs]

wow. bout to sign up now

[pinhigh1886]

This is very helpful info. I am going to purchase (2) MP10's for my 90g and the module for my APEX. Jim anything I should know before I purchase? The MP10's come with the controllers correct? Anyway to get the MP10's without the controllers, I will not need them correct? How does the APEX Vortech Module sync more than one MP10? How does the battery back up work when using the APEX? Is it automatic backup or do you have to switch something? Say if I was on vacation when the power goes out?

[jimsflies]

This is very helpful info. I am going to purchase (2) MP10's for my 90g and the module for my APEX. Jim anything I should know before I purchase? The MP10's come with the controllers correct? Anyway to get the MP10's without the controllers, I will not need them correct? How does the APEX Vortech Module sync more than one MP10? How does the battery back up work when using the APEX? Is it automatic backup or do you have to switch something? Say if I was on vacation when the power goes out?

Vortechs come with their "drivers"...and you will still need those. The communications electronics are in the drivers that interface with the Apex module. I think each WXM can control 11 vortechs.

The Apex can sense when the power is out, but since I don't have a backup power source on my apex, it wouldn't be able to communicate with the Vortech during a power outage. At one point I thought about putting the controller on a backup but never got around to it.

The Vortech backup battery is used to detect a power failure (it plugs directly into the wall to maintain its charge). When it senses no current coming in, it automatically goes into backup mode. In backup mode, the Vortech is automatically set to half its maximum speed on the dial and alternates between that and regular speed (I assume this is to allow for longer battery operation).

Here is a link to the "directions" for the backup:
http://www.ecotechmarine-asia.com/supports/downloads/pdf/Battery_backup_Directions_FINAL.pdf

I'm not sure that MP-10s will be enough for your 90 though.

To be honest, the WXM is pure gravy (not an essential component)....and if I were trying to watch my spending the battery backup would be a higher priority.

[pinhigh1886]

Chris and I have been talking about what size I should get. I think (2) MP40's is too much and one might not be enough to prevent Dead Spots. I have and island rockscape and I keep the glass clean on all (4) sides. Do you think I could just do (1) MP40? I have (3) Hydor pumps now on a wave maker. (2) @ 750 and (1) @ 1450 and I still have one dead spot that I struggle with keeping stirred up!

I am a huge control freak so I will be getting the WXM module. Between that and the Director coming out for my AI's I will be able to control my whole system from my IPAD 1000's of miles away. Final step would be to get an Auto Water Change System;)

[jimsflies]

You can always turn a MP-40 down to a MP-10, but you can't turn a MP-10 up to a MP-40. I also feel that these pumps have a better longevity if they are not run full out. Keeping them back on their curve a bit...especially if you are going to run them in a pulse (wave) mode is a good idea IMO.

Buy one of each...that way when you realize the MP-10 isn't enough, I can get a good deal on a slightly used one so I can have two in my 29-BC. (I'll go easy on the "I told you so's" if get a good enough deal...) ;)

Although you may decide to keep the MP-10 in addition to two MP-40's just to aim at that dead spot.

[pinhigh1886]

Ha I see. So you think I need 2 MP40's? Man that's like $1000!!!!!!

[Tethered_Limbs]

2 10's gives you more varying flow than the 40's. i have my 40's turned down to 25-40% all the time. while the 10's on the back of my tank go all the way up tp 70%

[jimsflies]

Ha I see. So you think I need 2 MP40's? Man that's like $1000!!!!!!

No one said being a control freak is cheap!

Its too bad you can't find someone willing to bring them over for a spin to try them out. I know dlhirst did a test with an assortment of pumps he borrowed to see what would work. I'm not sure if those were on loan from binford4000?

[pinhigh1886]

I may be able to get (1) MP40 to borrow from my cousin. If I eventually want to connect it to my APEX do I get the one with the wireless Controller or the one that is wired?

[jimsflies]

I think you'll need wireless as far as I know.

[Tethered_Limbs]

def need wireless, you can use a 40 with firmware 3.5 tho, or ecosmart firmware 1.5. but im pretty sure all 40es are wireless

[pinhigh1886]

OK thanks! I am going to get the MP40 and add a MP10 if I think I still need more.

Jim - So even though you have yours running off of your APEX, they would still automatically run off the battery backup if your power went out right? Also they do not plug into the WXM module right? it is all wireless?

[Tethered_Limbs]

one 40 will be very one sided....

[pinhigh1886]

So you think I should get MP40 and MP10 right away? I just think 2 MP40's will be too much and others think 2 MP10is not enough?

[jimsflies]

OK thanks! I am going to get the MP40 and add a MP10 if I think I still need more.

Jim - So even though you have yours running off of your APEX, they would still automatically run off the battery backup if your power went out right? Also they do not plug into the WXM module right? it is all wireless?

100% correct.

[Tethered_Limbs]

So you think I should get MP40 and MP10 right away? I just think 2 MP40's will be too much and others think 2 MP10is not enough?

w.e you do i would get flow from both sides, the undertow from a 40 will be very strong in one direction, but if you get 2 it alternates back n forth

[pinhigh1886]

OK I pulled the trigger on (1) MP40 and the WXM Module. I am going to leave the Hydor Koralia 1500gph on one side for now and put the MP40 on the other side. I will eventually replace the Hydor with a MP10. At least my screen tops will fit flat on one side!! Man that was hard to hit place order for some reason.

Jim Can you give ma a quick guide to setting up the WXM Module and the MP40? Like do I set up the MP40 first and then install the WXM module. Is the module hard to set-up? Can I copy a program and just paste it in my APEX? Why so many virtual outlets and where do you create virtual outlets?

[Tethered_Limbs]

when you connect the WXM all the virtual outlets pop up, connecting is easy. follow the steps for assigning slaves/master pumps. then make the profiles you want with the mode/speed. then code the profiles into the virtual outlet that comes up when you connect the 40 to the WXM as a slave

[pinhigh1886]

So hook up the Module first? Does it just plug in and its ready?

[Tethered_Limbs]

boom. :smash: just that easy

[jimsflies]

I recommend following the instructions to the letter (and also refer to the comprehensive apex guide). Its pretty straight forward, but there are some tedious moments IMO with assuring your connected and have the updated firmware. I had my vortech prior to the WXM and had to update the firmware...so you may not have the same issues. (I also have anxiety when it comes to updating firmware because I have bricked a few things doing it.)

[pinhigh1886]

I get my MP40 and WXM Module Thursday. Make any more adjustments or discoveries Jim? It looks like you are suggesting just going from one of the modes during the day and then nite mode at sunset. Is that still the case or are you adjusting the intensity during the day too?

[jimsflies]

I'm not sure going lower during the night makes any sense. I've been looking into this more and have recently changed it up a bit. To be honest, there is probably more benefit to increasing the flow at night as it would help gas exchange and keep pH a bit higher. My current program goes into a reef crest mode at night which has a similar intensity to the day time modes.

During the day I alternate between tidal swell (45 minutes) and nutrient transport (15 minutes).

[pinhigh1886]

I notice a lot of people just use time of day as the guide to what setting they are in. Can you show me your program again that allows you to do 45 min in one mode and then 15 in another? Also what is the program code you use to tell it to switch to night mode?

[jimsflies]

I notice a lot of people just use time of day as the guide to what setting they are in. Can you show me your program again that allows you to do 45 min in one mode and then 15 in another? Also what is the program code you use to tell it to switch to night mode?

Here is how I programmed mine....

First setup the following profiles:

[ Nutrient ] ( PF10 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Nutrient
Maximum Intensity: 65

[ Lagoon ] ( PF11 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Lagoon
Maximum Intensity: 70

[ Tidal_Sw ] ( PF12 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Tidal Swell
Maximum Intensity: 40


Next, I setup a virtual outlet (called V-PUMP) and programmed it with this statement:
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/015:00/060:00 Then ON


Then I setup the WXM Outlet for the Vortech with this program:
Fallback ON
Set Lagoon
If Outlet V-PUMP = ON Then Nutrient
If Outlet V-PUMP = OFF Then Tidal_Sw


I also have some additional program that allows it to go into a different night mode. I can post that as well, but don't want to make it seem too complicated till you get the basics figured out.

[pinhigh1886]

Ok let me get this far to start when I get my replacement pump Monday. I set up the profiles already but it won't let me set the program. It gives me errors. Does the vortech pump have to be synced for it to even accept the program? Maybe I did something wrong also. I will go back though it. Can you give me step by step guide to setting up virtual outlet?

[jimsflies]

You will get program errors until you have all the variables (outlets and profiles) defined on which the WXM outlet is dependent. (This holds true for any thing you are doing on the Apex...it needs all the variables defined to save.)

To add a virtual outlet go to the Module Setup Page, select the type of virtual module you want to add...so if you only need <4 virtual outlets, select a DC4 from the menu, don't worry about the start control address, then click Add Module. This will create virtual outlets. You can then go back to the outlet configuration page and select those outlets to rename and program them.

[pinhigh1886]

OK I get it now. Thanks!

[pinhigh1886]

[QUOTE=jimsflies;166897]


Then I setup the WXM Outlet for the Vortech with this program:
Fallback ON
Set Lagoon
If Outlet V-PUMP = ON Then Nutrient
If Outlet V-PUMP = OFF Then Tidal_Sw

QUOTE]

When you say WXM Outlet do you mean I have to create an outlet for the WXM or the Outlet I plug the Vortech pump into?

[jimsflies]

When you add the wxm module in the module setup page, it creates an outlet that you'll use.

[pinhigh1886]

When you add the wxm module in the module setup page, it creates an outlet that you'll use.

Now I'm confused? See Screen Shot. It looks like the WXM Module is in there but I didn't have to add it? But then look at my outlets page? Not Outlet called WXM? Doesn't the master program have to be on the Outlet (Plug) you physically plug the Vortech into?

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a610/pinhigh1886/WXMModule_zps641af408.jpg

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a610/pinhigh1886/ApexOutlets_zps627bc689.jpg

[jimsflies]

Ok, so the wxm module is connected to your base. The next step you have to do, which you'll have to wait to get your new pump is to attach the vortech to the WXM. Refer to Page 6 of the user manual that came with the WXM for info on attaching pumps. (Or see it at this link (http://www.neptunesystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WXM_manual.pdf).)

Attaching the pump, creates the WXM outlet that you will program. Once the outlet is created it will have an address of "4_1" since your WXM is module #4 (http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4) .

[pinhigh1886]

OK I see. Sorry I am just trying to do what I can while waiting for the pump. That is part of the problem, not having the pump. I am learning a lot about programming this thing bit by bit. Hopefully I will be able to help others down the road.

[pinhigh1886]

Last question... At least for now. So on the actual outlet I use on my EB8 to plug in my Vortech I can just program that Fallback ON and leave it right? In the photo above it is the one I labeled Vortech_1_7

[jimsflies]

Yeah...or you don't even have to plug it into the energy bar if you don't have room for it.

But I find it is handy to have a maintenance mode that shuts all the pumps, heaters, etc. off for water changes and photo taking. So you could reference the outlet your vortech is physically plugged into for that.

[pinhigh1886]

Got it! Thanks!

Can you send me a copy of your MAINT program?

[pinhigh1886]

OK got it all working now. I am using your program slightly modified. SO the OSC code basically makes it turn the V-PUMP outlet ON for the first 15 mins of every hour then it goes to OFF? This turn it to Nutrient Mode for the first 15 mins and then to TidalSw for the rest of the hour right. Do you have a feed code in the program? And how did you program night mode?

[jimsflies]

Program to alter flow during the evening/night:

Virtual Outlet:
[ Nite ] ( Cntl_F6 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Light B
Program:
Fallback ON
Set ON
If Sun 000/120 Then OFF

Profile:
[ Lagoon ] ( PF11 )
Type: Vortech
Vortech Type: Lagoon
Maximum Intensity: 70

Entire Program for Vortech WXM outlet:

[ Vortech ] ( 4_1 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Up/Down Arrows
Program:
Fallback ON
Set Lagoon
If Outlet V-PUMP = ON Then Nutrient
If Outlet V-PUMP = OFF Then Tidal_Sw
If Outlet Nite = ON Then Lagoon
If FeedA 000 Then feed
If Outlet Maint = ON Then OFF



Note the If Sun 000/120 delays the condition for 2 hours after sunset on the seasonal table. My lights are programmed to run longer than the normal season table day so this times in my lighting.

[jimsflies]

Got it! Thanks!

Can you send me a copy of your MAINT program?

I posted the Maintenance program here so we can try to keep this thread about the WXM program:
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/hardware/programming-apex-maintenance-mode-27215/

[pinhigh1886]

So for mine I have my AI Vegas set to Sunrise and Sunset with Great Barrier Reef. So My sunsets around 6:30PM right now which is about an hour before the Seasonal table. So instead of a delay I need an advance of... How would that program look?

[jimsflies]

So for mine I have my AI Vegas set to Sunrise and Sunset with Great Barrier Reef. So My sunsets around 6:30PM right now which is about an hour before the Seasonal table. So instead of a delay I need an advance of... How would that program look?

So the Vegas have their own controller, right?

I guess I wouldn't worry about it that much...if the flow doesn't change exactly when the lights do its not that big of a deal. You could just program it with a time instead of the seasonal table.

But you have your lights turn off at 6:30? Seems like you would want to have them on longer when you are home in the evening (unless you work second shift).

[pinhigh1886]

Yes the Vega's have their own controller. Just the Sol's work with APEX so far. Which is OK because when the "Director" comes out for AI I will use that anyway.

So my program would look something like this:

Virtual Outlet:
[ Nite ] ( Cntl_F6 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Light B
Program:
Fallback ON
Set OFF
If Time 19:30 to 06:30 Then ON

And then I have the switch set to AUTO correct.

Yes I am trying the Great Barrier Reef Setting and Just left the times exact. It has a 2 hr ramp down time so it is actually 8:30PM when it gets to moon light. Then the Lunar cycle for the GBR kicks in at 10:00PM. So during Full Moon I still have moon light all night. for like 7 days a month it goes to total darkness during a New Moon and somewhere in between the rest of the month. I will probably adjust the times a little to be able to enjoy the tank more at night. It is kind of nice though to have the tank on in the morning before I leave for work. I can get a feeding in the morning.

[jimsflies]

I also have drawn out the sunrise and sunset periods so I can see the tank in the morning and at night. The Apex season table is sunrise (on) or sunset (off) so to get the light ramp up or down to go longer the times need to be "extended" (morning) and "delayed" (evening) using the If Sun statement.

[pinhigh1886]

What is your total photo period then? Any issues with having it too long?

So this program should work for me then?

Virtual Outlet:
[ Nite ] ( Cntl_F6 )
Program Type: Advanced
Display Icon: Light B
Program:
Fallback ON
Set OFF
If Time 19:30 to 06:30 Then ON

And then I have the switch set to AUTO correct.

[jimsflies]

Looks like yesterday the lights started ramping up at 6:50am, reached full intensity at 10:20am, started ramping down at 5:48pm, and reached sunset at 10:48pm. The blues and whites use a different ramp time so that I have a stronger actinic effect during the ramp up/down.


Yup you want to set it to AUTO.

[pinhigh1886]

Sorry for so many questions, I am close to being able to do this in my sleep. You would think that being an Engineer and having had classes in programming I would wiz through this:propellerhead:

How does Nite = ON override V-PUMP = ON is it because of time or order it is in program code?

[jimsflies]

Sorry for so many questions, I am close to being able to do this in my sleep. You would think that being an Engineer and having had classes in programming I would wiz through this:propellerhead:

How does Nite = ON override V-PUMP = ON is it because of time or order it is in program code?

Yes it has to do with the order of the program. Reference Page 39 of the Comprehensive Manual (http://www.neptunesystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Comprehensive-Reference-Manual.pdf) for a quick discussion of program order.

[ShockSniper]

So I finally have my new 210 set up. I purchased 3 MP40s, apex, and the wxm. Needles to say I am completely confused right now! I've read, and re-read the manual for the apex and the wxm. I have no idea how to program this for the pumps. I do have them synced with the wxm! Other then that confused. Can anyone help?

[jimsflies]

Sure... did you happen to read through this thread? Take a gander at some of the programs that I posted and let me know what you want them to do. I don't have a ton of experience with syncing multiple vortechs, but can give it a whirl.

[ShockSniper]

Sure... did you happen to read through this thread? Take a gander at some of the programs that I posted and let me know what you want them to do. I don't have a ton of experience with syncing multiple vortechs, but can give it a whirl.

I've actually been reading it since it started since I knew the set up I was going to have. I've got two over flows, and really I just want the what ever would be best for the flow of the tank.

[jimsflies]

The WXM just allows you to set modes and flow rates with the controller rather than the drivers. So once the driver is synced with the WXM, the knob on the driver is basically non-functional. Most of the programming I have done in this thread in over board (I would define the WXM itself as overboard too). So we can start out more basic and get fancier if you want.

To confirm, have you already attached the vortechs to the WXM by following the steps on Page 6 of the user manual that came with the WXM for info on attaching pumps? (Or see it at this link (http://www.neptunesystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WXM_manual.pdf).)

Attaching the pump, creates the WXM outlet that you will program. Once the outlet is created it will have an address of "4_1" assuming your WXM is module #4 (http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4) .

[ShockSniper]

The WXM just allows you to set modes and flow rates with the controller rather than the drivers. So once the driver is synced with the WXM, the knob on the driver is basically non-functional. Most of the programming I have done in this thread in over board (I would define the WXM itself as overboard too). So we can start out more basic and get fancier if you want.

To confirm, have you already attached the vortechs to the WXM by following the steps on Page 6 of the user manual that came with the WXM for info on attaching pumps? (Or see it at this link (http://www.neptunesystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WXM_manual.pdf).)

Attaching the pump, creates the WXM outlet that you will program. Once the outlet is created it will have an address of "4_1" assuming your WXM is module #4 (http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=4) .

Yes i have them all linked...and it seems to be running its own program. getting faster and faster, and I'm assuming it will decrease slowly as well.

[ShockSniper]

now there is a new development. I haven't done anything other then sync the 3 MP40's. I've look at the outlets and scrolled through things but did not save anything. Now the apex will only power on one MP40 when they are plugged into the power strip. When I plug them into a normal power strip the apex seems to sync with them and control them because I can't on the MP40 control. Did I do something wrong? Or is the power strip bad?

Thanks guys!

[jimsflies]

They don't need to even be plugged into the energy bar. You can plug them into the wall if you want.

Lets start with this... can you post a screen shot showing the drop down of all of our outlets in your outlet menu?


Or maybe better yet, are you signed up at http://reeftronics.net?

[ShockSniper]

They don't need to even be plugged into the energy bar. You can plug them into the wall if you want.

Lets start with this... can you post a screen shot showing the drop down of all of our outlets in your outlet menu?


Or maybe better yet, are you signed up at Reeftronics (http://reeftronics.net?)

is this what your looking for.

[jimsflies]

Old school screen shot there!

Yeah looks like the WXM has created the outlets.

Sorry for the delayed response here...have you made any headway over the weekend? Is your Apex connected to your network or are you trying to program it from the Apex display?

[ShockSniper]

Old school screen shot there!

Yeah looks like the WXM has created the outlets.

Sorry for the delayed response here...have you made any headway over the weekend? Is your Apex connected to your network or are you trying to program it from the Apex display?

i'm trying to program it from the display. I hooked it up to my computer initially/internet. But I can't keep it hooked up all the time.

[jimsflies]

Just don't want to keep it connected or problems with it?

Programming is quite a bit easier with the web interface. Even if you can just access from inside your own network, at least you'll be able to copy and paste the program rather than tapping the arrow button on the controller a million times.

[ShockSniper]

It's to far from my computer and Internet to keep it plugged in. I'd have to hook it up to wifi.

[pinhigh1886]

OK I bought another Vortech MP10 to go with my MP40. I will plug it in the apex power bar first right? Then connect it to the WXM module? Will it walk me through the steps to link it with my existing MP40? Should I sync or antisync? I am using your program Jim so I am hoping they can both use the V-Pump outlet and same OSC modes.