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bigbill
09-23-2012, 12:50 PM
Breeding Journal DataSheet

This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place
or changes are made to your system


General
Species: Pteragon kauderni
Social Structure: 1 male 1 female
Size of Individuals: bouth about 2-3 inches
Age of Individuals: unknow
Date added to Tank: 8/2/12

Broodstock Tank Details
Size of Tank: 20 gallon breeder hook in to a 100 gallon system
Substrate Details: LR sand and lot of algea
Filtration Details: rufuge
Water Changes: bye weekly 25 gallons whole system
Water Temperature: 81 f
Lighting: 250 watt mh
Lighting Cycle: 12 and 12
Other Tank Inhabitants: 1 CB pearl eye clarkii and a RBTN

Broodstock Feeding Details
Food Types: home made meat mix only they will not eat pellet food
Feeding Schedule: 1 time daily 1/4 inch chucks of mixed food

Spawning Details
Date of First Spawn: 9/23/12
Spawn Time of Day: 12pm
Dates of Consecutive Spawns:*10/23/12 11/13/12 *12/4/12
Courtship Details: female followed male around for 3 to 4 days male moved in to females cave after he got the eggs. both stayed in there own caves before that
Egg Size: unknow due to being in the fathers mouth
Egg Color: unknow due to being in the fathers mouth
Egg Count: unknow due to being in the fathers mouth

Hatch Details
Hatch Date: 10/11/12 / 2nd batch 12/20/12
Hatch Time of Day: unknown
# Days after Spawn: 18
Larvae Description: unknown due to being in dads mouth


Larval Tank Details
Temperature: NA
Size of Larval Tank:NA
Substrate Details: NA
Other Tank Decor:NA
Filtration Details:
Lighting Cycle:
Water Changes:
Larval Feeding Details
Food Types:
Feeding Schedule: unknown due to being in fathers mouth still

Metamorphosis/Settlement
Date of Settlement Start: 10/13/12 12/22/12
Days after Hatch: 2
Date of Settlement End: 10/13/12 no settlement due to be mini adults when released bye male
Description of Fry: mini adults

Grow-Out Tank Details
Temperature: 82.5 f
Size of Grow-Out Tank: 20 gallon long
Substrate Details: 6lbs of rock from the parents sump 1 inch of crushed coral
Other Tank Decor: heater
Filtration Details: whisper 10 with 3 to 4 small chunks of live rock 7 ozs golf ball sized ball of chaeto algae
Lighting: 36 inch t5ho single bulb 6700k spec
Lighting Cycle: 12 and 12
Water Changes: 2 gallons weekly
Size at Transfer: 1/4 inch
Age at Transfer: 2 days after hatch 20 days after spawn / moved to 20 gallon on day 52 due to signs of aggression
Other: tank has been running for 2 weeks started with fresh salt water did a 100% change with parents water 1 day before removing the male on day 20 of him stopping eating
Grow-Out Feeding Details
Food Types: TDOB2 & frozen home made food
Feeding Schedule: 4-5 times a day

Additional Information
Miscellaneous Information: only had these for a month cant wait to try them if the male don't eat them fingers crossed will keep up to date.

bigbill
09-23-2012, 09:07 PM
mom guarding dad in there cave
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3128-banggi-pair.jpg

bigbill
09-24-2012, 02:50 PM
24 hours still got eggs

bigbill
09-25-2012, 11:32 PM
2 day mark still eggs

Tom@HaslettMI
09-26-2012, 07:42 PM
Very cool. I hope you're able to get a hatch and some survival on your first try!

Tom

bigbill
09-26-2012, 09:32 PM
Very cool. I hope you're able to get a hatch and some survival on your first try!

Tom

ty me to day 3 still doing good if anything the female has become very aggrieve towards the clarkki clown in the tank
while the male takes cover in the cave when ever i go in to feed.

bigbill
09-27-2012, 09:42 PM
still good at the end of day four hopes are high start a started a brine shrimp culture as a back up for FHBS fresh hatched brine shrimp they will need 4 + times a day as a BS is very high in nutrients for the first 24 hours
but can be enriched after that as a ok food source

bigbill
09-29-2012, 12:02 AM
day five in the books starting to look good should i dare get my hopes up :-]

MizTanks
09-29-2012, 12:53 AM
I'm sending good mojo your way :)

bigbill
09-30-2012, 12:41 AM
day six in the books half way to eggs hatching around 13

bigbill
10-01-2012, 03:56 PM
day 8 of male not eating mouth does not look as full but look bigger further down his under side of the mouth 5 more days and they will hatch:thumbsup::highfive3::big_grin:
also sorry for the lack of photos ever time i go in to the room he goes in the cave with his butt towards me and tells me to step back so i listen lol

MizTanks
10-01-2012, 04:43 PM
Awesome news Bill!!! I'm so excited for you...really!!! This is really special :)

bigbill
10-03-2012, 12:36 AM
end of day nine and here he is mouth full and skinny as ever but being a great dad had to take it with a flash light and all the lights off in the room enjoy.
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3139-male-bang-10fdays-hold-eggs.jpg

bigbill
10-08-2012, 12:12 AM
seen my first head sticking out the males mouth tonight 6 more days till i pull him

MizTanks
10-08-2012, 01:51 PM
What do you mean, pull him?

bigbill
10-08-2012, 05:53 PM
What do you mean, pull him?

u net the male causing him to spit out the babies other wise he will release them then eat due to not eating for 20 + days

bigbill
10-12-2012, 11:16 PM
day 20 tom will be removing the male after work started a fresh batch of FHBS for the new little guys hope all goes well will post pick when able

Tom@HaslettMI
10-13-2012, 12:04 AM
day 20 tom will be removing the male after work started a fresh batch of FHBS for the new little guys hope all goes well will post pick when able

This is a great thread. Thank you for sharing your experience.

Good luck,
Tom

MizTanks
10-13-2012, 02:55 AM
Way to go Bill!!! I'm excited for you and the lil ones :) looking forward to seeing them!!

larryandlaura
10-13-2012, 09:06 AM
Any more updates?

bigbill
10-13-2012, 09:10 AM
Any more updates?

pulling them tonight after work hope to get some pics tonight

bigbill
10-13-2012, 11:53 PM
just got home form work going to get a breeder box and then pulling pics bye midnight i hope wish me luck

bigbill
10-14-2012, 12:10 AM
male caught has not spit babys yet but leting the water come to temp and will see
before i add him to the babys tank

bigbill
10-14-2012, 12:25 AM
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot 12 our so very cool looking bangii eye babes let go 2 min ago dad is back in with mom and about to get a large well earned meal pics as soon as i square them away
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3143-baby-bangi-eyes.jpg

fishtal
10-14-2012, 12:57 AM
Awesome! So cute too! Congrats. :D

MizTanks
10-14-2012, 01:02 AM
Yahooo! Congratulations Bill!

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bigbill
10-14-2012, 01:46 AM
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3144-baby-bangi-eyeszoom.jpg

larryandlaura
10-14-2012, 06:41 AM
Congratulations Bill! Cool pictures.

bigbill
10-14-2012, 02:32 PM
all 12 made it though the night also on a good note there belly's are full with bright orange witch means there eating the tdo A i am feeding a long with the FHBS

MizTanks
10-14-2012, 03:09 PM
This is just so cool! I was into breeding during my FW days and I remember the excitement so well.
I'm so wishing you and the lil ones the best Bill. You should be proud. You've done a wonderful job!!

bigbill
10-14-2012, 05:54 PM
CB Bangii cardinals babys - YouTube

bigbill
10-17-2012, 03:36 PM
4 days old every one is doing fine eating well

bigbill
10-20-2012, 11:35 PM
WE just turned one week ! big changes in the last couple days 3 our 4 of them travel around the tank hunting for pods i set up in there before the where born so should be plenty to go around moved them up a food size in the TDO to B1 do to seeing them only eat the bigger chucks of pellets want as least amount of waste as i can all so still getting 2-3 hour old FHBS 3-4 times a day depends on hatching numbers for the day

bigbill
10-22-2012, 06:00 PM
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3156-10-day-old-pic-banggai.jpg

bigbill
10-23-2012, 03:56 PM
male has stopped eating and has a mouth full of eggs again he ate at 11 pm last night so some time between then and 12pm this morning

MizTanks
10-23-2012, 05:16 PM
So don't you worry about the female laying so much? Do they do this in the wild? I would think it could take a toll on their health. The male going without eating for so long, so often?

bigbill
10-23-2012, 10:11 PM
So don't you worry about the female laying so much? Do they do this in the wild? I would think it could take a toll on their health. The male going without eating for so long, so often?
i sure do miz the male will eat the eggs if he is not health a nuff to carry them
same would happen in the wild but i did gorge him in food since the day he sit the babys out was back to normal wight + some. all so there is realy no way to stop them for laying eggs

MizTanks
10-23-2012, 10:50 PM
This is very interesting to follow. I'm really enjoying it!!

bigbill
10-24-2012, 12:22 AM
This is very interesting to follow. I'm really enjoying it!!

adding a 2 nd pair this week end so should be even better to follow lol :-]

MizTanks
10-24-2012, 01:05 AM
I'm not sure i can take the added stress!

bigbill
10-24-2012, 11:45 PM
well here is the frist good pic both have gave me . as u can see dads mouth is over flowing with eggs again
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3170-mom-dad.jpg

MizTanks
10-25-2012, 12:04 AM
Looks homey :) lol

bigbill
10-25-2012, 12:05 AM
Looks homey :) lol

yea i keep a lot of algae and stuff in there tank due to they like the pods

MizTanks
10-25-2012, 07:51 PM
I kind of want to do the same thing for Scooter :) I'm gonna put some chaeto in the DT. Next week TFG is sending me a bunch of pods to seed the tank and fuge...again :)

How are the lil buggers doing today?

bigbill
10-25-2012, 08:39 PM
I kind of want to do the same thing for Scooter :) I'm gonna put some chaeto in the DT. Next week TFG is sending me a bunch of pods to seed the tank and fuge...again :)

How are the lil buggers doing today?

great eating more pods then brine shrimp but growing fast probably double the size

bigbill
10-28-2012, 01:19 PM
male ate the eggs sometime between last feeding and today probably my fault as i went in to the tank to remove the clarkii clown that was in there due to him being a butt hole our could have been to soon for the male well back to 6 time a day feeding so he can fatten up

MizTanks
10-28-2012, 01:56 PM
Aww sorry to hear Bill :(

bigbill
10-30-2012, 07:24 PM
well we where 2 weeks old on sat all 12 very healthy and happy eating all most anything i toss in there been staying more towards the pellets and home made food but they still get FHBS 2 a day
ps sorry for the late update

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INas__MzHWY&feature=share&list=UUC321PqfsCr9jgJWeUnxQ0g

bigbill
11-13-2012, 01:06 AM
well had a spawn today male is holding leaving for hunting tonight so will update when i get back fingers crossed allso the firs batch will be 30 dph tom all 12 still doing great and getting big will post new pis when i get back

MizTanks
11-14-2012, 12:08 AM
Noooo!! I can't wait til you get home to see what's going on :(

bigbill
11-17-2012, 09:36 PM
Noooo!! I can't wait til you get home to see what's going on :(

all is well came home to him having a full mouth still no more waiting miz

MizTanks
11-17-2012, 09:50 PM
You were gone long enough geeeeeezzz!!! Lol

bigbill
11-18-2012, 04:11 PM
You were gone long enough geeeeeezzz!!! Lol

sorry ill work on starting a live video feed for u

MizTanks
11-18-2012, 06:21 PM
Lol-gee thanks! I feel special now :)

bigbill
11-20-2012, 02:31 PM
moved the lttle ones food to TDO B2

demonclownfish
11-20-2012, 05:34 PM
I want one or two if they are eatin pellets good enough when they grow up, i only feed frozen once a week lol.

bigbill
11-20-2012, 08:06 PM
I want one or two if they are eatin pellets good enough when they grow up, i only feed frozen once a week lol.
they have been eating pellets for a while now

demonclownfish
11-20-2012, 09:01 PM
nice, hows the growth been?

bigbill
11-21-2012, 01:09 AM
nice, hows the growth been?
fast there about an inch now some smaller early thoughts of being ready for xmas is probably off bye a month at least late jan early feb ill try to shoot pics but they don't like to stay still

MizTanks
11-21-2012, 12:22 PM
Sure wish my upgrade would happen sooner :) You've done great with these lil guys Bill! Congratulations :)

bigbill
11-21-2012, 03:49 PM
Sure wish my upgrade would happen sooner :) You've done great with these lil guys Bill! Congratulations :)

no worry's miz male is on day 8 of holding the next batch ill have some when u are ready

MizTanks
11-21-2012, 05:14 PM
Sweet!! I've always wanted to keep them but never had a tank big enough :)

bigbill
12-02-2012, 08:25 AM
50 days old

http://youtu.be/GjQCJ8GMDJM

MizTanks
12-02-2012, 09:01 AM
They are so awesome Bill!! You must be proud :)

bigbill
12-04-2012, 02:15 PM
spawned again to day removed there cave and put operation blk out in to effect a few days ago . meaning every time i went in to feed them our the clowns that are in the same room the male would run scared and hide and has been eating the eggs on day nine the last 3 spawns so i put a thick black bag on the front of the tank clamped with 2 algae clips . fingers crossed want to relay get this pair breeding on a regular base

MizTanks
12-04-2012, 06:42 PM
Great idea on the covers :) I can't believe those lil buggers are 50 days old already! What are your plans for them Bill?

bigbill
12-04-2012, 07:21 PM
Great idea on the covers :) I can't believe those lil buggers are 50 days old already! What are your plans for them Bill?

they will be up for sale when they come to size mid Jan early Feb would be my guess as they seem to double in size every week some close to 2 inches

bigbill
12-08-2012, 06:55 PM
moved the little ones to a 20 gal long today in hopes of stoping some of the fighting going on with the females

MizTanks
12-08-2012, 10:58 PM
Your able to sex them already?

bigbill
12-08-2012, 11:02 PM
Your able to sex them already?

no i wish the females just become more aggressive first is only way i can tell

bigbill
12-12-2012, 02:56 PM
Where are now 60 days old :-]]]] only a month our so more till we will be looking for our new homes
i have a few peoplewho are waiting for us will post a pic later to night

MizTanks
12-13-2012, 01:25 AM
Where are now 60 days old :-]]]] only a month our so more till we will be looking for our new homes
i have a few peoplewho are waiting for us will post a pic later to night

Im happy yet sad. Hope they go to peps active on the forums :) Wanna see the lil ones grow up yea know :)

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bigbill
12-13-2012, 09:29 PM
here are the 60 day pics sorry not the best
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3234-60-day-pic-2.jpg
http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3233-60-day-pic-1.jpg

bigbill
12-13-2012, 09:32 PM
Im happy yet sad. Hope they go to peps active on the forums :) Wanna see the lil ones grow up yea know :)

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good news is the blk out trick is working end of day nine and still has a mouth full of eggs

MizTanks
12-13-2012, 11:25 PM
Yahoo!! Great news Bill :)

bigbill
12-16-2012, 11:13 AM
Start of day 13 still a mouth full of eggs looks like we will have babies born on Xmas eve

demonclownfish
12-16-2012, 11:32 AM
Have you ever found a physical difference between your male and female? jaw line?fins? anything like that?

bigbill
12-16-2012, 12:25 PM
Have you ever found a physical difference between your male and female? jaw line?fins? anything like that?

Yep the males jaw line is sq females have a long jaw line other then that no and super to see the diff till there adults

bigbill
12-22-2012, 09:41 PM
well today was day 21 lol not Tuesday but operation black out was a huge success dad spit out 23 happy healthy babies . on a side note dad spit out what look to be an algae ball and the new fry have been feeding on it i did not see this last time but will watch out for next hatches my guess is day scoops up algae with pods to feed the little ones after the hatch . pics to come later

MizTanks
12-22-2012, 10:56 PM
Yahoo!! I'm so happy for you Bill ((HUGS)) I know I'm being silly but its just so cool. Warms my heart :)

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bigbill
12-23-2012, 01:49 AM
25 total all are eating and have fat bellies

http://www.captivereefs.com/forum/members/bigbill/albums/bigbills-80gal-display/3246-2nd-batch-bang-eye.jpg

bigbill
12-24-2012, 07:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IthdJ2zQnBg&feature=share&list=UUC321PqfsCr9jgJWeUnxQ0g

MizTanks
12-24-2012, 08:26 PM
Awesome!!!! They look wonderful! Great job Bill :)

bigbill
12-26-2012, 10:31 AM
SAD DAY well some how while i was moping the floor down stiars last night something must have gotten in to the oldest baby's tank as about 8 pm they all started to die only one left this morning and he is fighting his *** off to make it .

MizTanks
12-26-2012, 01:29 PM
Oh noooo!! Bill I'm so sorry and saddened by your loss :( Breaks my heart.....