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dputt88
03-07-2013, 12:12 AM
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Breeding Journal DataSheet

This first post should be updated regularly to include new information as events take place
or changes are made to your system


General
Species: Apogon margaritophorus
Social Structure: 1 male 1 female
Size of Individuals: 1.5" - 2"
Age of Individuals: unknown, 2nd owner, very likely wild caught
Date added to Tank: March-2-2013

Broodstock Tank Details
Size of Tank: 40 gal
Substrate Details: part aragonite, part rubble/large rock
Filtration Details: skimmer
Water Changes: bi-weekly
Water Temperature: 78F
Lighting: 4 bulb t5 HO
Lighting Cycle: 12 hours on/ 12 hours off
Other Tank Inhabitants: just a few corals

Broodstock Feeding Details
Food Types: frozen mysis and brine
Feeding Schedule: once a day, sometimes twice if they will accept it

Spawning Details
Date of First Spawn: 4-22-2013
Spawn Time of Day: after lights out
Dates of Consecutive Spawns: 5-22-13
Courtship Details: swim very closely side by side
Egg Size: unknown
Egg Color: difficult to see but light yellow
Egg Count: unknown

Hatch Details
Hatch Date: 5/2/13
Hatch Time of Day: night
# Days after Spawn: 10
Larvae Description: 2mm, about 50 or so.


Larval Tank Details
Temperature: 78F
Size of Larval Tank: 5 gal
Substrate Details: bare bottom
Other Tank Decor: a few pieces of live rock
Filtration Details: sponge filter
Lighting: CFL bulb
Lighting Cycle: on when i wake up, off before bed
Water Changes: about a pint every couple of days

Larval Feeding Details
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Feeding Schedule:

Metamorphosis/Settlement
Date of Settlement Start:
Days after Hatch:
Date of Settlement End:
Description of Fry:

Grow-Out Tank Details
Temperature:
Size of Grow-Out Tank:
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Other Tank Decor:
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Lighting:
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Size at Transfer:
Age at Transfer:

Grow-Out Feeding Details
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Additional Information
Miscellaneous Information: i bought this pair over the weekend. they were sold to me asa breeding pair of yellow striped cardinals but clearly this pic shows they are not. doesnt make much of a difference to me either way. i was mostly looking for a cheap way to try out a few breeding attempts.

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dputt88
03-15-2013, 09:12 PM
well the female has really been bulking up the past week. today during feeding she looked like she could pop. came home from dinner tonight and the male is constantly on her "tail". i have a good feeling in going to wake up to a male with a mouth full of eggs.

heres a vid of when the activity started happening. the lights are off now, they dipped behind the rocks 2 min after lights out and didnt come out for a couple mins, then right back in. i got bored and went to type this.

video-2013-03-15-20-38-31_zpsca04215d.mp4 Video by dputt88 | Photobucket (http://s1225.beta.photobucket.com/user/dputt88/media/video-2013-03-15-20-38-31_zpsca04215d.mp4.html)

MizTanks
03-15-2013, 09:16 PM
Awesome dputt88! I'd love a pair of them in my tank :) We never get those around here :(

dputt88
03-15-2013, 09:28 PM
doesnt mean it would be impossible. me and the girlfriends are thinking about doing some backpacking in the UP over the summer. depending on how things go maybe i can bring some up with me.

MizTanks
03-15-2013, 10:28 PM
doesnt mean it would be impossible. me and the girlfriends are thinking about doing some backpacking in the UP over the summer. depending on how things go maybe i can bring some up with me.

That would be sooo awesome!!! You would love hiking U.P. here!! The fish would be cool too :) lol

dputt88
03-15-2013, 10:31 PM
just wanted to clarify girlfriend* not girlfriends lol.

yeah i love the UP youre so lucky.

Bongo Shrimp
03-18-2013, 12:11 AM
Good luck. They are one of the trickiest. Breeding Journal, Species: Copperbanded Cardinal Fish (Apogon margaritophorus) (http://www.mbisite.org/Forums/tm.aspx?m=33427&mpage=1)

dputt88
04-23-2013, 07:36 PM
They spawned last night. here are some pics of the male holding eggs.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/dputt88/2013-04-23093951_zpsfbf4ba57.jpg (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/dputt88/media/2013-04-23093951_zpsfbf4ba57.jpg.html)

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/dputt88/2013-04-23093944_zps904e200e.jpg (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/dputt88/media/2013-04-23093944_zps904e200e.jpg.html)

MizTanks
04-23-2013, 08:46 PM
Awesome!! How exciting for you! Congratulations!!

dputt88
04-24-2013, 09:49 AM
he opened up his mouth this morning and i got a very short glimpse of the eggs, cant say how big they are but they are a light yellow color.

dputt88
04-24-2013, 07:03 PM
still holding today.

MizTanks
04-24-2013, 11:36 PM
still holding today.

I'm feeling like an expectant aunty!! Lol


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dputt88
04-27-2013, 09:32 AM
still holding.... man the suspense is killing me. i set up their grow out tank today and loaded it with pods and pod napauli, now i just need rotifers.

dputt88
04-29-2013, 02:24 PM
holding for 7 days now

MizTanks
04-29-2013, 03:20 PM
Dang! I won a whole bottle of RotiFeast that ill never use-come get an u can have it-lol
Keep us posted.....


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dputt88
04-29-2013, 04:42 PM
I keep standing in front of the tank with a net in my hand debating on whether to pull the male out and put him in the tank I have set up for the larvae. that way he can just let them go in there when ever hes ready, but im worried he might spit them out or something when I go to catch them.

dputt88
04-29-2013, 07:06 PM
while watching the cardinal just now when he went to adjust the eggs something fell out it was hard to tell if it was still an egg or if it was a larvae. if I hat to bet i would say larvae, the eyes were the most prominent part of it. im really new to this so everything is something new to me. im still debating the best way to get the larvae into their new home, its hard to tell if they have hatched yet but I can say he is adjusting the egg/larvae quite frequently now.

dputt88
04-29-2013, 07:56 PM
some pics, I was looking back at this journal and wanted to show just how much bigger his mouth has gotten.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/dputt88/2013-04-29194457_zps6f39e104.jpg (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/dputt88/media/2013-04-29194457_zps6f39e104.jpg.html)

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/dputt88/2013-04-29194743_zpsb646504e.jpg (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/dputt88/media/2013-04-29194743_zpsb646504e.jpg.html)

dputt88
04-29-2013, 08:36 PM
male and larvae are in the grow out tank, I expect to see some free swimming larvae in the next 24 hours

MizTanks
04-29-2013, 08:38 PM
Holy crap!! He looks like Antonio Big Foot Sylvia-lol


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dputt88
05-01-2013, 09:50 AM
man this guy is killing me, still holding at 9 days.

MizTanks
05-01-2013, 12:37 PM
man this guy is killing me, still holding at 9 days.

Just think how I feel being so far away an all!! Lol


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dputt88
05-01-2013, 04:58 PM
hopefully i have some larvae when i get home from work today.

demonclownfish
05-02-2013, 07:42 AM
Dont they release fully formed fish just like banggai's?

dputt88
05-02-2013, 08:43 AM
dont know, only one person has ever hatched them and they used an egg tumbler. but i can tell you that its day 10 with no change.

MizTanks
05-03-2013, 09:31 AM
I was thinking the same thing DC. Maybe he's got babies in there!!! Yahooo!!

dputt88
05-03-2013, 10:41 AM
well at the end of day 10 he released them, i didnt notice until this morning though, and they were all dead. there was about 50 of them, about 2mm long.

now he couldd have released them for any of 3 reasons,
1) they hatched and died after being released
2) they died in his mouth so he released them
3) they hatched, they "matured", he released them and then they died.

when i found them they were all in one corner and many were stuck to the sponge filter, i had the sponge filter turned way down, even the copepod napaulii could manage with no problems. ill try to take a pic of one when i get home.

MizTanks
05-03-2013, 02:02 PM
Dang it!! UGH :-( I'm sorry Deputt88......


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dputt88
05-22-2013, 11:39 PM
new spawn recorded

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/dputt88/2013-05-22222604_zps8794bfbc.jpg (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/dputt88/media/2013-05-22222604_zps8794bfbc.jpg.html)

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee381/dputt88/2013-05-22222509_zps7095e223.jpg (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/dputt88/media/2013-05-22222509_zps7095e223.jpg.html)

MizTanks
05-23-2013, 04:39 AM
Wow he's definitely got a mouth full! Crossing fingers & toes :)


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dputt88
05-23-2013, 12:26 PM
Wow he's definitely got a mouth full! Crossing fingers & toes :)


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yeah this one is a lot bigger than the others

dputt88
06-02-2013, 08:27 PM
well this time im just gonna see how things go without removing him from the tank. he is still holding.

MizTanks
06-02-2013, 10:37 PM
I've been wondering but didn't wanna pester you-lol :)


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dputt88
06-03-2013, 09:46 AM
yeah ive been really busy lately and as much as i hope to raise these guys, i just dont think im gonna have time, so im gonna leave the male in the regular tank for now and see what happens. hopefully i have more time for the next spawn.