Jebo WP40 Wave Maker

[pinhigh1886]

I have spent a lot of $$$$ on equipment but just can't pull the trigger on Ecotech Vortech MP40's. It just seems like they could bring the cost down. Not that I go on any other forums I heard there is a lot of talk about Jebo (or Jeboa) WP40's. It is a Chinese brand of wave pump that you can get from fish-street for $85. It seems to be all the rage right now on Salt Water Forums because people think it might be better that the Vortech as far as water flow. Looks more like a Tunze and the cord is still in the tank. People are getting 2-3 inch waves with just one of these in there 180g tanks. It is controllable with the controller that comes with it but from some of the comments its too powerful and can't be turned down enough. There are smart people trying to figure out how to control it with APEX. It will not communicate with other pumps but from the sound of it unless you have a 300g tank you may only need one. Pretty amazing video's. I think I am going to order one and test it out. Thought I would get a thread going to see if anyone has tried it yet? The Chinese website is Jebao Co.,Ltd. and the pump is under aquarium accessories. Not much info there though!! Final thought - you could buy 5 of these before you got to the cost of 1 MP40!!

[Rabidgoose]

How big is your tank? Their is a thread on RC about them, seems you can't dial the speed back enough for a smaller tank. I believe they are coming out with a smaller model in the not so distant future.

chuck

[pinhigh1886]

Yeah I read that whole thread today. That is where I heard about it. I have a 90g standard. It sounded like they were saying that anything under 180g and you might have too much flow? It looks like the company is coming out with a WP25 but not out yet. I ordered the WP40 - we'll see...

[pinhigh1886]

This thing is way more powerful than a Tunze. You can't get a 3" wave with one Tunze in a 180g tank can you? This is similar to a Voertech MP40 or even more powerful with the same controllability. Just can't sync it with another one like the Vortech.

[binford4000]

I use to be just like you. There was no way I was going to buy Vortech. The price was just not worth it !!! So in my infinite wisdom I started cheaply and used e bay PH well that wasn't working so on to Korillia's then it just wasn't enough so I added a wave box then went to Tunze's and still didn't like what I was seeing. Then it dawned on me. Shear GPH and coverage was only part of the solution. It is just or even more important to create flow that keeps particulate matter and food suspended . Createing waves is good for your coral but if your peeling flesh off your defeating the purpose . So what am I am saying ?? Unfourtanetly for our pocket books nothing out there does all of this as well as Vortech's do. There I said it ! It hurt but It's just the truth. It is very easy to spend the cost of a vortech to try to accomplish the same thing. I drove the anti Vortech bus for a long time ! I now suggest to anyone who is trying to grow advanced coral like SPS to bite the bullet and spend the cash up front. You can easily spend more in dead coral and several brands of power heads to just at the end you end up buying one. It is also one of the few pieces of equipment that holds it's value. In the end the MP series is just worth the money tell someone makes something better and they will not give that away either. In this case you get what you pay for ! Just my .02 tho. .:oldman:

[pinhigh1886]

OK OK OK I know. Can't a guy dream that for once I could get something in this hobby that wasn't the most expensive but was just as good. This is not like me normally. I usually look for the most expensive item and get it because I know it will be the best but with Vortech I just think that unit can't cost more than $100 to make so they are making a killing. I just wish someone else would make a product that wouild compete. I just bought the APEX Controller, AI Vega's, BRS Dosers, and a BRS 5 Stage RO/DI. That's ove $2000 right there. I just need to get a few MP40's but a this point I want to just buy more coral. Not to mention I still have to set up a good Frag QT tank.

BTW I dont think a 3" wave is good. I don't even want a wave in my tank but a controllable 3" wave with one pump in a 180g seemed impressive. I saw one video on You Tube on a 180g with one of these pumps and it just had a slight wave and the coral just seemed to sway perfectly. Better than any Vortech video I have seen.

Thanks guys though for bringing me back to reality. :stupidme:

[binford4000]

I doubt we will see Vortech knock offs tell all the patents they hold on the MP's expire. Echo tech is very aggressive in product protection rightly so. I feel your pain tho. I have 6 AI's and dual everything else on my new tank. It is expensive to do it top notch but if you do it like you did ,you don't end up with a closet of unused products like I have. But in the long run you get to say You only had to buy it once !! Lmao. :oldman:

[jimsflies]

Unfortunately in an effort to merge two duplicate threads, I managed to lose both threads. If any of you guys have the posts that I am missing in your email notifications (mostly replies from today I think), please feel free to forward your email notifications to me at this email

jimsflies@captivereefs.com

And I will add them into this thread.

[binford4000]

Even when they do wear off, I don't think they will be THAT much cheaper in a way.... time will tell but I would guess they will still be several hundred anyways..... of course depending on who is doing the knocking off.

Luckily for me most of my used junk has made it til it puked or I was able to off it..... or so I tell myself before I look in what was my fish room that I am slowly working on taking apart.

You got a spare vortech in that closet of unuseds you want to part with?? LOL

Actually I have a few MP 10's ! I have tried to get someone to come over and pick this stuff but guess there's no such thing as reefer pickers. Lol

[pjr]

Mp 25 comes out in 2 weeks. .. just saying. ...

[pjr]

WP 25 Looks like a tunze 6055 in size. Cost appears to be just $5 less than the WP 40. Impressive video on you tube.

[Sacohen]

Announcement. One of the controller companies is now offering a stand alone WP40 with attachment cable on their web site.

I don't want to say who or give a link for fear of getting the thread closed, but this company was very instrument in determining if the WP40 can be controlled by a controller.

[pjr]

I agree with the fact that putting an unknown electrocial device into water requires a high degree of product quality, else expect a shocking experience. Not good.

There are cables available to control the WP 40 with the Reef Angel controller; I understand the cable can be modded for Apex use. I also understand that RA is selling the WP 40, and for a lower cost because they do not include the controller.

As an alternative, you can use the included contoller and get a dimmer (via ebay, for example) to dial down the output. Pretty plug and play.

Revisions are coming out to help with the noise issues; grommets for the shaft/prop. Jury is out on impact.

WP 25 is still due any day; cost, as per the "Pre Orders," is dropping to closer to $75. There appears to be two versions; one with mounting magnets, other with suction cups.

[Sacohen]

Yes. Reef Angel is selling the pump as a stand alone along with the cable needed to connect it to the RA.
That same cable has been modded to work on an Apex.

The latest release date I've heard for the WP25 is June.

[Sacohen]

Ok. I finally heard back from Wynstan.

He says....


The WP-25 magnetic mount is available now ,
the flow rate will be 8000l/h and the controller will have speed control
function

I don't now who has the WP25. (Fish-Street does not have it on their website).

That 8000l/h seems high. it converts to 2,113 g/h.

I know that the Arizona GB bought about a 100 WP25's and MacBoat told me that there was another order before theirs.

[Sacohen]

The WP -25 is out and a bunch have already made it to the US.

Mine came to my office this morning.
I'll put them in and take some video when I get home after the son is in bed.

Here are some pictures really nothing new.
The unit is much smaller than the WP-40 about the size of a 12oz soda can.
The power supply is now a wall wart instead of the brick that was on the WP-40 with the 24v lead coming out of it.

I don't see the variable speed control that they told me about.

Waiting to here back from Wystan about the speed control he told me would be on these.

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[Sacohen]

Here is a video of 1 WP25 in my 55 gallon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kae5-viKMpM

I think it is still to strong, so I hooked it up to my Reef Angel and left the speed at a 35-50% ramp I set up for my WP40.
It's a little to low now so I'll probably boost it up to 45-70%.

[AZDesertRat]

I have both a WP-40 and WP-25 on order and should be here mid June. I plan to do a detailed review on each with photos showing size comparisons with other popular powerheads, Kill A Watt meter readings showing power consumption and anything else I can monitor. I did similar with Evolutions when they very first came out as well as many return pumps several years ago when I was part of Team RC over on that forum.

For the record I have been extremely pleased with my Evolutions 1400's but was looking for something different without breaking the bank. The few MP's I have seen did not impress me at all, noisy, bearing issues, faulty controllers etc were just a few of the issues I witnessed and the owners were not happy with their investments. Great idea but they still need a little development and having some viable competition should bring their pricing in line. Its great when you are the only game in town and can set pricing but competition shows what things are really worth after a time.

[Sacohen]

My Anemones, Toadstool Leather, Frogspawn, and Kenya tree all hated the 25 at full power on the stock controller.
I wound up taking the 25's out of the tank and putting the 40 in controlled with the Reef Angel.


I tried the 25 at the same settings as I had the 40 at and it didn't behave right. When I set the 25 to run at 30% during the night it would run for a bit and then stop. This never happened with the 40.

The 25's run perfectly fine with the stock controller, never stopped or anything, but they were to strong for my 55.


I can get better control and positioning with the 40 then the 25's


I'm going to wind up selling the 25's.