View Full Version : Utter Chaos? Anyone heard of them???
Sir Patrick
06-05-2010, 11:54 PM
These seem to be the next wannabe fad of the season....looks like 4 polyps have already been sold for almost $200/polyp??? :doh:
I bet the person hyping the price hasnt fragged a single peice- and also bet no one has baught a single one!! Its called "Hype". Its pobly a few people that got together to hype the polyp and the name- to make some big $$$ quick....sad thing is- people will fall for it, and buy it!!
Who would pay $200/polyp for this????-
http://zoaid.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9912&g2_serialNumber=2
Bet- under normal reef tank lighting, we could get many polyps from coral morphalogic, that look just as good- if not better, for a fraction of the price!!
demonclownfish
06-05-2010, 11:56 PM
These seem to be the next wannabe fad of the season....looks like 4 polyps have already been sold for almost $200/polyp??? :doh:
I bet the person hyping the price hasnt fragged a single peice- and also bet no one has baught a single one!! Its called "Hype". Its pobly a few people that got together to hype the polyp and the name- to make some big $$$ quick....sad thing is- people will fall for it, and buy it!!
Who would pay $200/polyp for this????-
http://zoaid.com/index.php?module=Gallery2&g2_itemId=9909
Bet- under normal reef tank lighting, we could get many polyps from coral morphalogic, that look just as good- if not better, for a fraction of the price!!
i know 1 person who would...... considering it appears to have a neon green mouth(a PE) i would guess scopus tang would spend that :big_grin:
softiegirl
06-06-2010, 12:32 AM
Holy crap those are cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sir Patrick
06-06-2010, 12:39 AM
^ cool, yes....but are they worth $200/polyp???
softiegirl
06-06-2010, 12:44 AM
NOT on my budget!!!:doh:
Sir Patrick
06-06-2010, 12:48 AM
I have to say-
My martian PE's, under that lighting, are WAY cooler than those.....and I paid like $4 per polyp or somthing like that!
Would like to see your darth mauls under that light to!! The would be instantly insane!!
softiegirl
06-06-2010, 12:51 AM
true... that lighting is pure actinic, with alot of photo tweaking.
jimsflies
06-06-2010, 08:00 AM
They look like the pic was taken under LED actinics. I'm guessing it looks completely different in normal lighting. Not that it matters if you like to look at LED lights all the time, but still a lot of corals look nuts under LEDs.
02REDZ28
06-06-2010, 08:47 AM
They look like the pic was taken under LED actinics. I'm guessing it looks completely different in normal lighting. Not that it matters if you like to look at LED lights all the time, but still a lot of corals look nuts under LEDs.
It just looks fake.... I don't understand people who show off their stuff under pure actinic lighting... FAIL...
I'm bias though, I'll never understand the attraction to zoos...
Invert
06-06-2010, 08:57 AM
At first glance, it is a unique looking Polyp.
Then when you take a closer look at the entire picture and see the Blue Haze.
Respectable Sellers would at least show them under different lighting.
Just My 2 Cents
MUCHO REEF
06-06-2010, 09:34 AM
In 19 years, I have never seen an ugly zoa, paly or proto. I've seen good, great and horrible lighting and good cameras, bad cameras some with a macro lens and some that don't have one. I've seen great photography skills and average joe pics. But you can take a polyp that sits in a LFS untouched for 2 years, place it under more actinics than required, purchase a digital camera with a macro lens, then press that lens against the glass or use a box from above, give it a catchy name, tell everyone it's new and rare with a slick and catchy introduction thread that's bigger than life, and it would sell like $ 10 Air Jordan's on Michigan Ave. in Chicago on Christmas Eve.
I cringe every time I see a macro shot of a 1 to 4 polyp frag doing what's being done above for these prices. If you haven't noticed, reefing, as it relates to zoas and palys, has been replaced with retailing. If that polyp was in a LFS for $ 1 a polyp, I wouldn't buy it. If you spend your days with your nose pressed against the glass with heavy actinic supplementation and more money than you know what to do with, and everything you own is paid for, ......then I'd say buy it.
Mucho Reef
Ocho Cinco
06-06-2010, 09:56 AM
They are really nice but $200 per polyp is way too much! They look a lot better than the Purple Hornets that I believe once went for $300ish a polyp on ebay.
jimsflies
06-06-2010, 10:08 AM
and more money than you know what to do with, and everything you own is paid for, ......then I'd say buy it.
Amen! Hopefully someone here fits that bill and buys them, so we can trade a few polyps....:big_grin:
MUCHO REEF
06-06-2010, 10:48 AM
JIm, go and look at the picture of it in balanced lighting, the difference is night and day. If I come across some of them, I'll pick you up a dozen or so, but you'll have to pay me back the $15 I'll spend on them.
Mucho Reef
handlevandal
06-06-2010, 11:25 AM
I have a hard time paying $10 for a polyp that's measured in microns so there's no way I'd pay $200 for it. Mucho's comment regarding 'retailing' strikes a major chord for sure.
igot2gats
06-06-2010, 11:29 AM
I agree, not a fan of people who only do actinic pics. Also, you never know with photoshop these days. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Bella127
06-06-2010, 11:57 AM
I like them , but as like many others before they will come down in price. Still not as bad as the $325-$500 for a chalice the size of a No 2 pencil eraser. I f I had ReeferRob money I would get them .
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 11:59 AM
I got some polyps that look better than those under blue LED's you want some??? they cost 500 a polyps and 100 for shipping because of insusrance
Anyone can doctor up a photo and shoot actinic to make a few buckss..
I think a flash shot should be included
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 12:04 PM
In 19 years, I have never seen an ugly zoa, paly or proto. I've seen good, great and horrible lighting and good cameras, bad cameras some with a macro lens and some that don't have one. I've seen great photography skills and average joe pics.
Mucho Reef
here is an example of this theory..
I have common button polyps in high flow under good light and good water they look just like this
worthless paly but VERY cool non the less..
I love them cause they are HUGE one is almost 1 1/2" across and are bright green
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/acungaro/saltwater/march21038.jpg
Sir Patrick
06-06-2010, 12:16 PM
I dont mind the pure and intence acinic so much anymore theses days....I have quickly learned to look past that, and be able to visualize somewhat what the polyp is going to look like in my tank.
Its these insane prices, and trumped up hype that get me....
Sweet! ya got a cool polyp! You want WHAT???? for it????
MizTanks
06-06-2010, 12:16 PM
As a newbie I always wondered why MY zoas NEVER looked as good as they did in the pics I picked em from.
Basically 300$ lights can and will make ANY zoa look like it's worth big $$$$$
Sir Patrick
06-06-2010, 12:19 PM
Nice pic myteemouse!!
Thats gotta be worth some $$$- lol!! Now ya just gotta name it!! J/K bro!!
I have just this year broken down to paying $10/polyp- max.
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 12:27 PM
Oh I gave away a 8-10 polyp frag a few months ago. they are just button polyps with proper husbandry..
People ask me all the time how much and what are they..
I have to break there heart when I tell them they are just common button polyps and worth nothing really..
reefermadness
06-06-2010, 01:10 PM
I was gonna say, that has to be photo shopped or under heavy actinics. A great picture goes a long way.
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 01:12 PM
I was gonna say, that has to be photo shopped or under heavy actinics. A great picture goes a long way.
my pic or the one at the start of the thread??
Yes the "utter chaos" pic is all actinic if not LED's also..
mine 14K MH and good camera!
02REDZ28
06-06-2010, 03:22 PM
It just bothers me because it is a fabrication. There is nothing natural about that image. Moreover, those polyps are probably so small that you couldn't appreciate them without your own camera shots. It's just that there is not a whole lot to appreciate for several hundred dollars. I'd rather invest in a nice fish or set of cultured Acropora colonies.
BTW, the button polyp posted on the second page looks way better in photo and I'll bet in person than the subject of this thread....
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 03:50 PM
Actually they look eXACTLY like that in person with the MH's on..
just a bit smaller.
ReeferRob
06-06-2010, 04:02 PM
Actually they look eXACTLY like that in person with the MH's on..
just a bit smaller.
Who do you know who has them?
Sir Patrick
06-06-2010, 04:05 PM
^ think he means his button polyps in the pic.
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 04:09 PM
yes my pic..
I couldn't tell you if anyone has the others untill I see a pic with flash or just MH's on
Bella127
06-06-2010, 05:59 PM
here is an example of this theory..
I have common button polyps in high flow under good light and good water they look just like this
worthless paly but VERY cool non the less..
I love them cause they are HUGE one is almost 1 1/2" across and are bright green
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/acungaro/saltwater/march21038.jpg
I agree with loving button polyps . I love mine cause they pop and are green and big . Just like money:watch:
Daylights
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/Prand15/Green-button2jpg.jpg
Actinic
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/Prand15/Green-button.jpg
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 06:26 PM
WOW awsome are they not.
MUCHO REEF
06-06-2010, 06:57 PM
I agree with loving button polyps . I love mine cause they pop and are green and big . Just like money:watch:
Daylights
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/Prand15/Green-button2jpg.jpg
Actinic
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/Prand15/Green-button.jpg
My point exactly. Thank you for posting this.
MUCHO REEF
06-06-2010, 07:01 PM
here is an example of this theory..
I have common button polyps in high flow under good light and good water they look just like this
worthless paly but VERY cool non the less..
I love them cause they are HUGE one is almost 1 1/2" across and are bright green
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o128/acungaro/saltwater/march21038.jpg
Thank you for sharing this picture. The theory is no longer, it's true.
I am going to build an entire system one day with some of the most unpopular yet beautiful polyps in optimal well balanced lighting just to prove on a grander scale
Mucho Reef
Myteemouse
06-06-2010, 07:08 PM
Thanks I just love the colors..
common does not mean ugly ..
just means it grows fast and a lot of them around..
in turn usually means they are hardy and are easy to keep...
I would rather have a easy coral..
I melt deep water zoo's like eating candy..
EVERY time they slowly just get dull and melt on me...
mucho Ive seen this thread your speaking of "OVER THERE" could you PM me the link I can't find it.!!
Bella127
06-06-2010, 07:42 PM
I got these in a trade for a plain 5 gallon water bucket without the lid or water three years ago :roll:
Wy Renegade
06-08-2010, 06:46 PM
i know 1 person who would...... considering it appears to have a neon green mouth(a PE) i would guess scopus tang would spend that :big_grin:
Seriously? For a polyp? I'll bet you that $200 that you are wrong ;) Wanna bet?
Sir Patrick
06-08-2010, 09:32 PM
^ was waiting for you to chime in!!
ReeferRob
06-09-2010, 12:25 AM
Looks like the ridiculous price for this polyp is already dropping like a lead balloon. Another vendor on a different site just should pictures of a much larger wild colony he just received in a shipment identical to the OP who released them.
Sir Patrick
06-09-2010, 01:53 AM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Had a feeling this one would not last long. Think people are starting to understand....and learning faster every day.
That supper dupper rare coral that could he been an LE has just been pulled from the ocean on a daily fishing trip...who would have imagined??? LOL!!
Wy Renegade
06-09-2010, 11:01 AM
^ was waiting for you to chime in!!
I hate to bash someone else's product - guess my attitude has always been "if you can get someone to pay that rediculous price, more power to you, but it ain't gonna be me." Course, I have to clarify by stating that what some consider rediculous pricing isn't necessarily so to someone with a bigger pocketbook. While I would never pay that for a single polyp, I do know people who would without blinking an eye. Although I'm not sure that even they would on this one, given the obvious lack of "true lighting" in that photo. Call it actinics, call it LEDs, call it the temp. of your lighting, or call it photoshop, I really could care less - when an obvious blue haze surrounds the frag, it isn't going to look like the picture when it hits your tank. threads like this are good for the uninformed and the general public, but the fact is there is always someone who will pay that rediculous price in order to be able to say they have the new latest and greatest - in this case obviously someone already did. Someone did the same thing with the Flamethrower, which to anyone who's been in the game for awhile was obviously a Bam-Bam.
Looks like the ridiculous price for this polyp is already dropping like a lead balloon. Another vendor on a different site just should pictures of a much larger wild colony he just received in a shipment identical to the OP who released them.
One of the truly sad, but true, commentaries I saw on this was on another forum when someone said,
"You would think that if people (you) started to sell at a more resonable price then others would have to follow... "Hey, why spend $1000 for this when I can buy it for $10 over here.." and then those charging $1000 realize that they have to lower the price to compete...
Well it doesn't work that way unfortunately. I tried this with some Valentines Day Massacre polyps. I was charging $5 for 4 heads... People would actively buy from another person on this forum for the EXACT same strain for a much higher price. Almost like they felt that the value they got out of the piece is proportional to what they paid for it."
Very sad, but very true. I have the new Tyree Space Monster, I paid no where near the price that that polyp sold for at auction. I probably won't sell any frags of the piece, but I certainly will try and trade for other polyps with it. Because it has an LE name will it be worth more in the trade? Certainly it will. Does that mean I don't think it will come down in price eventually? Sure it will, based on my tank growth, this is a very fast grower and frags of it will soon be hitting the market IMO, are these frags going to be high priced? Sure they are. Are people going to pay that high price? Certainly some will. It is a vicious circle unfortunately, and I'm doubtful that reefing will ever go back to what it once was because of the hype and "collectors". People complain about zoas and palys, but the fact is that the favias, the scolys, the SPS, the acans, and most other coral groups all have their collectable pieces. Look at the My Maime or chalices period and tell me it isn't hype. When people are willing to pay $200 or $300 or more for a sliver of a coral even without any eyes, how is that truly any different?
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