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MUCHO REEF
06-13-2010, 04:38 PM
A pharmacist who is a local well known keeper/grower of zoanthids and palythoas had an idea, so he decided to act on that idea and this is what happened.

His goal was to collect 100 of the brightest most colorful zoas and palys for his new 300 gallon reef tank. Not wanting to wait forever for maximum coverage and growth, he sought ways to rapidly increase his polyp count. He won't say how, but he got a hold of 10 ml of Synthetic Human Growth Hormones not yet approved by the FDA and injected various amounts into ten 5 polyp frags each attached to a 4" x 4" rock on March 1, 2010. He then placed each of the rocks along the front of his reef tank to make and notate daily observations along with photographic updates on a daily basis at the EXACT same time each day. He went so far as to run a time lapsed underwater camera on 2 of the colonies 24/7 as he ran his moonlights throughout the experiment to record for the first time ever, real time growth as it happened.

On March 3, just 48 hours later, he noticed new growth of 1 to 2 polyps on 8 of the 10 rocks he seeded. To his surprise, on March 6, the eight rocks now had 6 new polyps each, the other 2 rocks begin to catch up and both were now 1 polyp shy each of the exact same amount of growth. This growth pattern continued and on April 3, just one month later, 9 of the 10 rocks were now 100 % completely covered and were now growing onto the substrate. He took a total of average polyp growth on each rock by photographing each rock and counting the polyps individually from the photograph. He had an average of 246 zoanthid polyps on each of the 5 zoa rocks he seeded, and an average of 180 palythoas on the 5 paly rocks he seeded. The palythoa count was much less as the polyps themselves were bigger. If that wasn't shocking enough, all of the polyps on each of the 10 rocks were much larger, more colorful then they were when taken from the mother colonies.

Now here's the most shocking thing he discovered, he duplicated the same results in April and May of this year !!!!!!!!

Before I share the results on Wednesday at 9 PM eastern time, here's the question. Did or didn't it truly happen? Fact or fiction? Possible or impossible? You may think you know the answer, but I have something sitting in front of me and I will post it in 3 days. You may really think you know the answer.....but do you? Please engage the topic, minus the humor. I want to know what you think. Is it plausible, possible, probable, real or fake? Give me more than just a no or yes, give me your feedback/opinion. What say you?


Mucho Reef

PS, There was something else he placed in the water that each of you have in your medicine cabinet or should have I should say. He believes it caused the ????? ????? within the ??????????? ????? to mutate, hence the exponential growth. HMMMMMM !!!!

The answer is hidden within this thread.

jimsflies
06-13-2010, 05:38 PM
I'm going with no it didn't happen ...but instead the polyps grew taller.

Myteemouse
06-13-2010, 06:06 PM
I also think bad things happened if he tried this..

medwards
06-13-2010, 07:14 PM
Ill say might be plausible. Rubbing alcohol and robitussin do strange things to me. Never any growth, but im not a zoo/paly.

Paulo
06-13-2010, 07:39 PM
I was not me lol.

jimsflies
06-13-2010, 07:43 PM
Rubbing alcohol and robitussin do strange things to me.

I'll bite...what? :dont_bite:

Paulo
06-13-2010, 08:29 PM
Oh BTW, I would say no. It is human growth hormone. It may work with other mammals (for example insulins derived from pigs used in humans)but zoa are too different than humans so most likely no. There are certain hormones that do work between the branches of animal kingdom but they tend to be simple things. The growth of a species is a pretty specific trigger IMO.

handlevandal
06-13-2010, 09:37 PM
There are claims that HGH can create tissue growth in human organs and raise metabolism levels so that makes sense to me but I still can't get past the concept that the first "H" stands for HUMAN, and zoas and palys are not humans. I'd be looking more at whatever the other thing was that he put in the tank.

Sir Patrick
06-14-2010, 12:05 AM
I have a feeling the growth hormone might work, but also have a feeling this did not happen.

Wonder what was placed into the tank from a medicine cabinet??? Maybe hydrogen peroxide?? Looking forward to the outcome on this one!

Bluering
06-14-2010, 12:18 AM
I'll say the HGH worked on the zoanthids and palys since they stimulate growth and cell reproduction. But he also used Iodine, which helped with the rapid growth of the zoas/palys.

Sir Patrick
06-14-2010, 12:26 AM
^ Good thinking.

I know absolutely nothing about HGH, or anything like it...

vittleking
06-14-2010, 07:19 AM
I can almost buy into that, but even if it is true, what is the effect on the zoo's going to be? I was into flowerhorns for awhile, and some overseas farms supposedly use HGH or other hormones to grow the humps on the heads, and make the fish grow faster so they can sell at a higher price. The lifespan of those fish is very short, so I'm guessing it's probly going to be the same with these zoo's if in fact this is true. Just a though.

softiegirl
06-14-2010, 07:39 AM
Ill say might be plausible. Rubbing alcohol and robitussin do strange things to me. Never any growth, but im not a zoo/paly.

um, I have to butt in here, lol, WHAT are you talking about?? I can maybe see the robitussin, but WHAT, pray tell, do you do with rubbing alcohol?????????????????????????????? :duh:

Oh and my answer is yes, I believe it did and could happen. Growth on a cellular level from a hormone should be similar across the board of species. A cell is a cell.

jimsflies
06-14-2010, 08:04 AM
Oh and my answer is yes, I believe it did and could happen. Growth on a cellular level from a hormone should be similar across the board of species. A cell is a cell.

If that's true (not saying it's not)...we should be using byropsis growth hormone...

Tom@HaslettMI
06-14-2010, 09:00 AM
The answer is hidden within this thread.

Very "The Da Vinci Code-esque" MUCHO!

Sure it could have happened, but I have a feeling that HGH had little if anything to do with the growth.

While I don't doubt this reefer was able to achieve impressive growth with his/her zoas and palys, as presented there is no way of proving it was the HGH that caused it. In order to prove it was the HGH there would need to be a control frag for each of the injected frags. In other words an equal size frag, from the same mother colony, placed next to the injected frag. With the ONLY difference between them being the HGH. Without controls there are simply too many variables (WC, other additives, PAR variations, flow, ect.) that could have influenced the growth to truly be able to say it was HGH.

Tom

Paulo
06-14-2010, 09:18 AM
A cell is a cell does not work. This is because cellular functions differ across the species. It is possible that HGH may work but I think it is too species specific. Cell are very different between species. People produce proteins homones and ect that other animals dont have and vice versa. That is why there is a difference between species.

handlevandal
06-14-2010, 09:21 AM
Well, this one kept me awake last night! I started thinking that this stuff he used was synthetic so perhaps it could work. My problem with the HUMAN thing would still be there if it was the real deal from the pituitary gland of some homo sapiens, but since this is the stuff that has been created in a lab it's actually just a bunch of chemicals anyway. I'm still curious as to what the 'other' stuff was, but I'm starting to think that it actually could be true. It's not REAL HGH so one can hope that it REALLY happened, right?

jay13
06-14-2010, 12:37 PM
A cell is not a cell, but...... Remember the stink about Bovine Growth Hormone in milk and the effects it was having on kids?

handlevandal
06-14-2010, 12:44 PM
A cell is not a cell, but...... Remember the stink about Bovine Growth Hormone in milk and the effects it was having on kids?

I believe that was also a synthetic created by one of those DuPont Monsanto companies. More stuff from a lab.

MUCHO REEF
06-14-2010, 07:20 PM
You're correct, it's impossible. I also posted this on another site and the answer Wycombes gave was perfect.

MUCHO REEF
06-14-2010, 07:21 PM
“That receptor for a HUMAN hormone, as well as the analogous genes, will not be there on z and p's. . you are trying to make something synthetic to get into a mammalian cell that is a peptide, it needs a receptor in order to effect some change within specific genes of the cell. That receptor for a HUMAN hormone, as well as the analogous genes, will not be there on z and p's. “

Sir Patrick
06-14-2010, 07:42 PM
^ So- you forgot to mention the other additive.

Did this guys frags really grow to the masses you described or not?

I understand that its not possible w/ the HGH, but wondering about the rest of the story? Was this even attempted? Were there results as described that had nothing to do with the hormone?

Werdlone
06-14-2010, 08:21 PM
I gave my corals some viagra and got awesome vertical growth!!!:redneck:

jimsflies
06-14-2010, 09:45 PM
I tried Rogaine but only got "hair" algae. :silly:

Paulo
06-14-2010, 10:03 PM
I thought so. THats why I made mention about not being a mamal. There are some homones that will work across some species but not many. Did not want to get too scientific on this though lol.

softiegirl
06-15-2010, 07:11 AM
I tried Rogaine but only got "hair" algae. :silly:

Just put some nair on it jim :jester:

MizTanks
06-15-2010, 07:44 AM
I used Premirin-their no longer as sensitive.