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Old 06-01-2010, 11:28 PM

Default Couple Dosing questions and such

Alright well i've had "nano" tanks since i started saltwater. and have always bought salt that had everything i needed in it, like calcium

with my new 90g tank being set up

What should i dose? should i just stick to salt that has everything i need in it?

would it be smart to invest in a carbon reactor?

If i have a fuge, would i really need a to run phosban/GFO?

Is there anything i should consider dosing?
   
 
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:41 PM

Going to think a little on this one. There are so many ways to go about things these days. There are so many possibilities right now, that werent available, or tested well. a couple years ago.
   
 
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:44 PM

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Going to think a little on this one. There are so many ways to go about things these days. There are so many possibilities right now, that werent available, or tested well. a couple years ago.
i know there are just so many things out there, that you need to ensure coral growth and survival.

maintaining water quality, i have no idea where to start.
   
 
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:48 PM

Dosing minerals depends on the load your corals have. Let me rephrase that.. LPS, SPS use calcium along with other minerals. If you aren't doing water changes with GREAT frequency, they will suck all the minerals they need out of the water. Thus creating the necessity to dose. Salt has all the necessary minerals, but not enough to sustain an infinite number of corals indefinitely.

For me, I have a lot of hard corals. Stuff that really sucks up the Calcium in a hurry. (My clam is giant). I am going to get a calcium reactor when I can afford one. Right now, I dose Calcium every other day at 2 tablespoons of the seachem stuff.

With a fuge, you will have macro algae (I assume) that will suck up some of the waste nutrients.. I run mine on reverse lighting, to help keep the pH in balance. I have never ran carbon, nor any phosban, and I have very minimal algae on my glass. my CuC is amazing. 3 turbos, 5 nasarrius, 20 blue leg hermits, 2 skunk cleaner shrimp, 1 spiny urchin, 2 florida fighting conchs, 1 brown brittle star, 1 sand sifting star, 10 Cerith snails, and 10 margarita snails. They all work their little butts off to help me not have to clean so much.
   
 
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:48 PM

For calc and alk- I would recomend randys DIY 2 part, or bulk reef supplies DIY 2 part.

Would look into kent tech-m for magnesium- just because of it being tried and true, with the added benefit of algea (bryopsis in particular) submission capabilities.
   
 
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Old 06-02-2010, 08:35 AM

The only reason you would need or want to run phosban or GFO is if you use tap water or have really old live rock that has bound up phosphates in the rock that is leaching and causing algea issues.

I personally go with the BRS method and dose 25 mL of alk and calc daily to assist in coral growth. The BRS method includes magnesium as well to help keep all params in line.

Carbon I feel is a must. It is not necessary to run it in one of those fancy reactors either. Placing a bag of carbon in the sump near the return pump works just fine. Not only will it absorb any of the funky stuff released from the corals and fish, but it can help to improve the clarity of the water and over all smell of the tank. In addition to any unwanted chemicals that may be introduced into the tank. For example house hold cleaning products, hair spray, and air fresheners that can travel through the air.
   
 
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Old 06-02-2010, 08:40 AM

Three things to "dose" in between water changes are Calcium, Alkalinity and Magnesium. Ca and Alk being the main two (generally everyday), Mag is generally only once or twice a month. To maintain these levels you can use 2-part (or similar), Ca Rx, or Kalkwasser Rx... or combinations of the above.

However, as mentioned this is only if necessary. It will depend on the type of coral you want to keep and the rate they're growing. You might be able to get away with just water changes - I do. My corals are super slow growing (non-photosynthetic) so water changes are sufficient. In previous tanks I've always had to dose to keep up with demand.

Carbon does not have to be ran in a reactor, but it can be.

The necessity to use GFO in conjunction with a refigium is heavily based on bioload, maintenance you perform, and the phosphate level in your aquarium.

You just need to come over and Rachel can moderate the visit
   
 
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:04 AM

You only dose if frequent testing shows you have a demand for something and it is in fact needed.

Usually in the beginning, at least until you start stocking lots of LPS and SPS corals, a good salt mix and water changes are sufficient. This allows you to set a baseline and start monitoring the big three to see if you have a demand. Persoanlly I hate dosing and can't wait to get my calcium reactor reapaired and operational again. Until then though I am using the Bulk Reef 3 part mixes.

I run both carbon and GFO 24/7 to be safe. You know the old saying, and ounce of prevention is worth ....... cheap insurance is what I consider it.
   
 
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:09 AM

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You only dose if frequent testing shows you have a demand for something and it is in fact needed.

Usually in the beginning, at least until you start stocking lots of LPS and SPS corals, a good salt mix and water changes are sufficient. This allows you to set a baseline and start monitoring the big three to see if you have a demand. Persoanlly I hate dosing and can't wait to get my calcium reactor reapaired and operational again. Until then though I am using the Bulk Reef 3 part mixes.

I run both carbon and GFO 24/7 to be safe. You know the old saying, and ounce of prevention is worth ....... cheap insurance is what I consider it.
I've heard of people running GFO to long or running too much of it and having adverse side effects. Are you not worried of this or is it truly not possible. The reason I ask is because I know you are a master of water purification and quality.
   
 
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:11 AM

While on the topic, I have a question..........what times of the day are you guys dosing your BRS 2 part. Can it be more beneficial to dose at different times of the day? And dose the element themselves at different times of the day or together staggered?
   
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