Thanks for the responses - I'm just getting setup so playing it safe sticking to middle ground for now, but would love to get a Tunze Osmolaters or a Liter Meter some day....
As far as ATO pumps...
I have a Aqua lifter but its really slow - figure the JBJ will turn off before it tops off? I can try that to start off.
Maybe mine just need to be cleaned? It did work great for getting that last little bit of water out of my overflows when I was setting up and needed to get water out of my overflow.
I did some more looking and found a little Eco plus 66 submersible runs 9 bucks? Thoughts?
Troy
I hope it come with sensors,
I got it for 75 from the "Pet Store???? I looked it up on there web site shows 2 sensors?
I couldn't see a difference, if it doesn't come with the sensors, I'll be returning it.
Marine Depot also has it for around 75 and Aquacave for 79 seemed to be going rate?.
I bought it off Amazon as I had a 25 dollar gift card - hope I don't waste end up wasting it in return shipping

I'll be calling them tomorrow to be sure - thanks for the heads up