lol thanks nix the only things i have lol... well I realize what your saying but they are so cool i love my hermits. i think i will keep a few while they are small but when they get bigger i will get rid of some. the turbos are tan... So i was thinking 3 turbos since i already have 5 ill get rid of two... but anyways how does the mix above that i posted sound?? i think ill keep like 4 hermits because that is a good average to me. I hear people say none at all you say 1 per 10 gallon, i have heard 1 per gallon. I have heard 1 per 5 gallons.... and so on so i think if i keep a few i should be good. ill be sure to give them an extra sprig of food everyone and a while and watch my nitrates.