Fuge help

[KG]

I would put some LR rubble in it and some cheato. the LR will give the pods a safe place to live and populate and the cheato is a great nutrient export.

This was the response he originally received. I only wanted to add that the lack of QTing will most certainly spell disaster and always seems to do so after lots of time and money has been invested. He can spend thousands on a filtration system and have an abundance of life in his fuge, but by adding one fish without QTing he can wipe it all out -as he's done already. Ich is however completely unavoidable if you have the information - which I was trying to share.

[dakar]

i am also new to this. i have asked questions of many topics. but dude read a book!!! They are great and you don't have to keep beating a dead horse. I don't think you have been clear with your questions from the start and that is why you are getting ticked off with your answers. I never knew what a refugium was either but i did a few searches on them and i now know how they work. sorry if i come off like a jerk.

Okay, after recieving serveral reports about the quoted post, it looks like it's time to step in here and refresh the basis and spirit for which CaptiveReefing was founded. We've left the the site title plain to make a point, this is "A friendly world to share thoughts and ideas."

Yes the same question may have been asked and answered several times over, in several different contexts, but the simple fact is this , a question was asked, provide an answer if you like or not, a link to a previous thread would work far better than advising someone to look elsewhere forinformation that is freely available here. If a member is unfamiliar with the search functions on the board (it it quite extensive and thorough) and how to use them, why not volunteer to assist instead?

This is NOT berating anyone, as everyone has the right to thier own opinions and is free to express them here, however we must insist that curtousy be extended to and from all members.

Quite frankly, I would rather type the contents of every book onto the foums so that the information is freely avialable to all without having to 'buy a book!', after all electrons can be 100% recycled.

We (the staff and members collectively) have strived to keep this a friendly evironment for one and all.

Let's bring this thread back around to the topic at hand.

[Reef_Angel]

:goodpost: Very eloquently stated Dakar-Dave! He's so good with words isn't he? Nice and subtle, but making sure he gets his point across. "A friendly world to share thoughts and ideas." That says a mouthful, doesn't it? In addition, I have to say that this site, not only in the "rules" states that "No question, no matter how simple it may seem to more experienced reefers, is a major question for someone just starting out." What really got things stirred up here was when Max Fischer came up with the idea that System Fan's question has been answered many times before, and that he should quit bothering us with all these questions! I don't see any sign's hanging on CR's homepage that states, "Only the best reefer's are welcome here!" or "Only welcome if you've read all the books on reefing and don't need help!". That would be ludicrous, and you'll never hear that coming from us ever! Most books on any hobby assume you have enough knowledge to understand some serious stuff. I don't know about you all, but if someone starts talking way over my head when they could just give a simple well stated answer to a question, I lose interest and generally will give up on that source of medium.....but I probably wrote my grocery list out in the mean time. You may just learn from it, but Is it just practical knowledge or applied in a way that is understandable so someone new can jump right in getting both feet wet! Some people are great with books, but I'd say a good percentage will read the information, and come away with a lot of technical info that they aren't quite ready for, and may dampen their desire to go further. Book knowledge is great, and I believe in it wholeheartedly if I trust the source. If you are pretty new at reefing, which source should you trust to get the best answers? Isn't it nice when someone gives you a practical explanation, and 3 or more people back that person up, and add a few of their own ideas in as well? Does a book give you the emotional support you need to hear when you've had a great success? Pat your back with some kind words like, "I've been there too.", and then help get you back on track when you were about to just give it all up? I know that I have had encouragement when I wanted to quit, and I in turn have helped many that were going to throw in the towel and give up. I think the majority of CR's members use their experience and failures in hopes of saving their fellow reefer from making some unpleasant costly mistake by attempting to go it alone with no support. We here at CR find that unacceptable! Why should anyone be made to feel "stupid" about asking a question we all know we've asked ourselves before? It doesn't matter how many have asked the question. We will answer those questions over and over, and the only thing it costs us was a little of our time, knowledge and concern. It also serves as a good refresher for ourselves & everyone who may be interested in it. We're all continually saving info, updating info and the like on our own personal hard drive (the brain of course). There are always new & fresh ideas that come from great people on a message board. Now that's the book I know I can count on. Once you've gotten that base information, a book may come in handy. At least you'll have some clue as to what it's telling you after youve learned bits and pieces all around you. The point I'm attempting to make here is that negativity is the sort of thing we hoped to end by bringing Captive Reefing to life! Helping out a fellow reefer is not only rewarding to ones personal self worth, but also to Captive Reefing.

Maybe Dave & I don't say it often enough, but it's YOU....the members here that have made this a successful site! IMO, it wasn't what Davejnz, KG, or System Fan that prompted disagreements, causing others to report the incident to us. That's what we woke up to today as we turned on computers to check on the site. Generally all is well, but my screen was full of reports against the individual Dakar quoted the post from. We deleted the post made by maxfischer, but then after re-reading the entire thread again after the post was deleted, it sounded like KG, Davejnz & the poster- SystemFan. were responsible for the behavior that happened in this thread. I don't agree. I won't sit back and ignore this, and could not & will not let that happen. Hopefully, after reading my long winded post, I sincerely hope that maxfischer can comes back to the thread with an apology to those involved. If you upset the peacefulness that comes with Captive Reefing, you've stepped on the toes of everyone here that abides by our mission. Please realize that it will be worth your while to speak up and apologize for the rather rude response you gave to SystemFan. Keep in mind... we have, but have seldom used the "3 Strikes Policy" set in place, since the member's here respect us for wanting a peaceful, informative & fun environment for fellow reefers to join in. You can always redeem yourself by making an effort to right what went wrong.....especially since those who inadvertently look guilty when they really weren't, but got things straight between them without much fuss, while you seem to have disappeared from the entire picture. You didn't disappear though because you were reported by several users who witnessed your unhelpful statement. Use the PM button and jot them all a quick note with a kind apology for upsetting this Reef!

If I may ... maxfischer's post has been :banned: in this forum.

maxfischer wrote:
i am also new to this. i have asked questions of many topics. but dude read a book!!! They are great and you don't have to keep beating a dead horse. I don't think you have been clear with your questions from the start and that is why you are getting ticked off with your answers. I never knew what a refugium was either but i did a few searches on them and i now know how they work. sorry if i come off like a jerk.

If we need to lock this post, we certainly will. It would be a shame since our members that helped SystemFan did an excellent job, and good answers are a shame to waste!

Respectfully Submitted,
Reef_Angel ~ Administrator

[systemfan15]

I don't think I was uncivil, but I do detect a little bit of hostility in his posts. I merely wanted to point out a huge mistake of not Quoting and the consequences of not doing so and he was clearly ungrateful and rude about it. I think everyone did mention what should go in a fudge and a lot of it is personal choice. And last, that skimmer is a do not. No if, ands, or buts about it.

KG

KG, I in no way intended on being hostile or impolite. I asked a question about 3 times and didn't get the answer I was exactly looking for so I made sure to get that point across. I was just making sure that everyone understood what I was confused about and that issue is now taken care of. I'm sorry but I'm completely new to this and I'm sorry if my skimmer isn't up to par. But I do not think you had to say it is a POS. I'm not exactly sure which brands and models I like and don't like, I'm a beginner and I have to find that out on my own. I researched for probably 5 or 6 months before I even bought my tank and I understood the very basics but it will take time for me to learn the ins and outs of this hobby. And while I am on the topic, this is my HOBBY, not my job so I am not going to be researching new things every day.
To sum things up, I apologize for being rude. It was not my intention. Sorry.

[KG]

I apologize too, it's just that I don't like repeating what everyone else might have said and I do think I'd be remiss if I didn't point out to you the mistake of not QTing. I hope you found everything you needed for your fuge. Some stores, especially on-line, sell fuge packages. Might want to check them out. All I have is a DSB, 2" of bioballs, some macro algaes, and LOTS of pods. As far as skimmers go, save your money, look in want ads, e-bay etc., for an ASM, Remora, or Coralife Superskimmer. They key to a really good skimmer is the needle wheel technology. Good luck!

KG