To argue that climate change is not occuring is IMO akin to arguing that organisms do not adapt to their environment. It is my personal opinion that both the right and the left have reached consenses on the fact that it is occurring.
Unfortunately there are posts in this thread already that dispute your assumption. The part I don't understand is that people are willing to risk being wrong on the issue. If we adjust our behavior as if climate change is happening then the result is a cleaner planet. If it turns out that climate change is in no way related to our behavior then no harm is done. However if we choose to change nothing and it turns out climate change is due to our behavior the consequences are enormous. I don't understand putting the future of mankind in the hands of transnational corporations based on faith that they care about the environment enough to police themselves. Seems like a pretty big gamble to me. I would rather bet that the Detroit Lions are going to win back to back Super Bowls starting next year.
At this point I will step back a bit and let some others pipe in.
Unfortunately there are posts in this thread already that dispute your assumption. The part I don't understand is that people are willing to risk being wrong on the issue. If we adjust our behavior as if climate change is happening then the result is a cleaner planet. If it turns out that climate change is in no way related to our behavior then no harm is done. However if we choose to change nothing and it turns out climate change is due to our behavior the consequences are enormous. I don't understand putting the future of mankind in the hands of transnational corporations based on faith that they care about the environment enough to police themselves. Seems like a pretty big gamble to me. I would rather bet that the Detroit Lions are going to win back to back Super Bowls starting next year.
At this point I will step back a bit and let some others pipe in.
After this post, I will also pipe down and let others chime in. I must say however that I think the US has plenty of regulations that are aimed at becoming more environmentally responsible. I personally think that your concerns, as valid as they may be, cannot be addressed within this country. As far as mankind in general is concerned, without centralized government world wide, control to the level of which you speak is not possible. Further, I would suggest that centralized government world wide is a bad idea.
Unfortunately there are posts in this thread already that dispute your assumption. The part I don't understand is that people are willing to risk being wrong on the issue. If we adjust our behavior as if climate change is happening then the result is a cleaner planet. If it turns out that climate change is in no way related to our behavior then no harm is done. However if we choose to change nothing and it turns out climate change is due to our behavior the consequences are enormous. I don't understand putting the future of mankind in the hands of transnational corporations based on faith that they care about the environment enough to police themselves. Seems like a pretty big gamble to me. I would rather bet that the Detroit Lions are going to win back to back Super Bowls starting next year.
At this point I will step back a bit and let some others pipe in.
What impact does the plastics/ acrylic industry have on the environmnet?? Its production has a huge carbon footprint besides the toxicity of methyl methacrylate fumes and the multiple monomers used in acrylic production.
touche
As Michael Jackson sang it : "I'm starting with the man in the mirror..." lol
Fair enough. How quickly the gloves come off. I purchase only american made acrylic which costs me substantially more than some of the imports. I do so because it supports jobs here in the states. However in a totally unregulated economy I don't have the right to know if the companies that make the acrylic purchase their chemicals from companies that prop up dictators, fight human rights, and recklessly pollute the environment. If I had the choice as a consumer of these products to choose between the cheaper unregulated company that does the listed things above and the little more expensive regulated company that doesn't then I would choose the latter. I am not arguing that we return to the Jeffersonian utopia of subsistence farming with slave labor. Nor am I arguing that we need to be a communist country. Our govt is intended to do what the people cannot do for themselves. As citizens we have no ability to regulate transnational corporations simply by being wise consumers.
Originally Posted by Werdlone
What impact does the plastics/ acrylic industry have on the environmnet?? Its production has a huge carbon footprint besides the toxicity of methyl methacrylate fumes and the multiple monomers used in acrylic production.
touche
As Michael Jackson sang it : "I'm starting with the man in the mirror..." lol
Point well taken. My point was to not pick and choose what industry to demonize. Our whole economy is petroleum based. From clothing to agriculture to manufacturing, medical equipment...you name it. Oil companies are not the bad guy...we all are if, in fact, it is causing global warming (which is only a theory and not proven). We are exxon, we are BP. Lets not be hypocrits. We all use their products everyday and rely on them. We should always be looking for alternatives and ways to be cleaner and more efficient. But don't crush our economy and way of life over unproven data.
this is my last post in this thread...not worth the frustration or friction with others. I'll leave it to polititians and vote my opinion.
I applaud your viewpoint and completely agree with you. Very well stated, Werdlone.
Originally Posted by Werdlone
Point well taken. My point was to not pick and choose what industry to demonize. Our whole economy is petroleum based. From clothing to agriculture to manufacturing, medical equipment...you name it. Oil companies are not the bad guy...we all are if, in fact, it is causing global warming (which is only a theory and not proven). We are exxon, we are BP. Lets not be hypocrits. We all use their products everyday and rely on them. We should always be looking for alternatives and ways to be cleaner and more efficient. But don't crush our economy and way of life over unproven data.
this is my last post in this thread...not worth the frustration or friction with others. I'll leave it to polititians and vote my opinion.
Originally Posted by Wy Renegade
