yellowfin attacking clown & sick chromis

[lReef lKeeper]

thanx Angel, i could not have said it better myself !! i don't know how you do all of that typing, but MORE power to ya !! lol

[ramoth41]

Just a quick note on the DAMNsels... (of which I have had a few! lol)
I have a 12yr old Yellowtail who was one of my original cyclers AND I have a 10yr old false perc... These 2 have been together a long time and they HATE each other. BUT they haven't done any major damage.. most of the time it's just posturing I also have 2 fourstripes which are a mated pair.. the only thing they hate is the Coral Beauty who will antagonise them! I've seen the coral beauty come across the tank just to pick on them! They ony time they are really aggressive is when they are laying eggs. I have had dominos(nasty), blue devils (about the same as the blueyellowtail), the brown yellow tails (NEVER AGAIN). The brown yellowtails are the nastiest ones I have ever had.. I bought them as juvi's.. pretty yellow with horizontal black stripes so watch out! He killed all his "school mates" and a Lemonpeel Angel! Had to tear apart the tank to get the little bas***rd.
If your yellow tail and your clown are just posturing and not doing any real damage to each other you should be fine.

Ok here is where you get conflicting information! I don't think your perc needs a buddy or an anemone. (sorry Angel lol) I've tried to get my perc to host more than once.. and he did then the anemone died.. They really don't need to have one. They will find somthing they like and stick with it. My perc has been in the big leather, brain corals, bubble coral, mushrooms.. so they don't need an anenome. Plus some anenome are rather difficult to keep. As for a mate.. There is always the chance they will become a pair and and then again they could fight to the death! The best way to get a pair is to buy them at the same time as a mated pair OR introduce then to the tank at the same time.

I don't know much about the bird wrasse ecept that they get HUGE if you want to keep him you might have to get a bigger tank! You said he eats all your inverts right? IMHO I would take him back and get some of the clean-up crew Angel mentioned.

The Chromis are neat little fish that, unfortunatly, I am one of those unlucky people just can't keep them! Hard to believe I know but I had a school of 23 at one point and they all died over the course of about 3months! But I do like them! Love to watch them play in the current from the returns!

Before you add anything else to your tank do some water changes and check your levels... once you get that right your fish won't be so stressed and things should calm down in the agression department. If you can catch the worst offender he can live happily in your sump.. I had several 4 stripes in there for about 5months till I found homes for them As far as testing.. if you have a reef then you need to test for calk ect but for FO /FOWLR getting the ph,sg,nitrates,nitrites, ect right is important...

good luck! hope that helps some too!

[Reef_Angel]

I don't think your perc needs a buddy or an anemone. (sorry Angel lol) I've tried to get my perc to host more than once.. and he did then the anemone died.. They really don't need to have one. They will find somthing they like and stick with it. My perc has been in the big leather, brain corals, bubble coral, mushrooms.. so they don't need an anenome. Plus some anenome are rather difficult to keep. As for a mate.. There is always the chance they will become a pair and and then again they could fight to the death! The best way to get a pair is to buy them at the same time as a mated pair OR introduce then to the tank at the same time.

No reason to apologize with me Ramoth! I agree with you on this statement as well.. I guess I was just using an example of the anemone because that's what my clowns really enjoyed the most until we lost our Sebae when the 180g crashed. However, I still strongly feel that getting another clown in their situation, where their only clown is hovering at the top may warrant a partner. Talking from experience on several different occasions, it was just what the doctor ordered. They may or may not fuss with each other, but I noticed that once they had a mate of their kind, they settled in together to find their favorite "lovey" in the tank. Mine have cuddled up in anything from zoas, colt coral, green or pink star polyps, and yep.....even one of those fake things. I really don't see a problem with them partnering their clown as long as they stay close in size & buy the same type of clown as a mate.
I do think that some may debate both of our opinions, but I have to speak from my practical experience. When a clown just constantly sits at the top all the time, I've seen the death rate be higher after it sits up there all alone for even weeks at a time. They are scared to leave that area as they feel safe from other fish, but they don't eat well at the top, and they truly look lonely. There is strength in numbers, and once they have a mate, they feel more confident to leave the top of the tank. Just another opinion for dkode to think about. Ultimately, he'll make the decision from more advice from others. Thanks for the debate Ramoth!

Hey Bobby, I tend to think everything I write comes out in book like form!! lol I'm not good at those short quickly answers. No one can say I don't express myself! :p

Dkode, I'd love to hear how this all resolved for you. Hope we've all helped you out to some extent! .........Angel :angel1:

[dkode]

Hello all!

Been gone a long time, but finally have some free time now, plus I got the bird wrasse out this week. Took him down to the LFS and the shop gave me a $20 store credit that I used to buy a feather duster, 6 scarlet hermits and a banded coral shrimp. I acclimated everyone and they've been in there for a couple of days now.

Today I went to another LFS and picked out a nice looking skunk cleaner shrimp that was priced at $16, but when the lady put the price on the bag it only read $4.99. I just kept my mouth shut, and got it for a discount Kind of feel like I stole, but hey...their fault right?

anyways, I am acclimating the skunk right now for a couple of hours.

thats for the tips everyone! I still have the domino's and yellow tail, they havent killed anyone else yet, although I would like to put another perc in there, but I guess I would just be tempting fate again and really have to take the domino's and yellow tail out first.

Another question, does it matter what time schedule my lights are on? right now they are on everyday from 4pm to 12pm. I'm assuming it doesnt matter what time of day the lighting comes on does it?

Anyways, thanks for the tips and i'm glad to be on the up and up!

[Tam]

i just thought i would give a quick mention i bought a yellow tail damsel when i first setup about 9 months ago and he never bothers anything else attall i must have got a good natured one...he lives happily among the others with no hassle.

[lReef lKeeper]

what kind of lighting do you have dkode ??

[dkode]

on the 92 gallon I have two 55W PC combo bulbs.

[lReef lKeeper]

i would leave them on for at least 10 hours a day. as long as the tanks is not being hit with natural light (window light) it shouldn't really matter when the lights come on and go off. what we are trying to do is re-create natural lighting patterns so the corals can feed from the lights like they do in the wild.

my PC's come on at 10am, the VHO's come on at 12pm, the VHO's go off at 8pm, and the PC's go off at 10pm. the VHO's will be replaced next week with Halides, but the lighting pattern will remain the same.