Davejnz, I read the thread that that you posted already. I even tried to make one as per melves web page. Although I have not gotten the weldon to put it together yet it is UGLY! lol. I guess that is what I get for using 1/4 inch instead of 1/8 inch as recommended. It takes a little more to heat up and form, plus my patients is in short supply. Hopefully I will find some patients when I retire in about 3 months. Thanks for the information and I'll check out the items in the FS forum.