Those were ATI's! They were about 5 months old. I know what your saying I felt the same way when I first got my Vega's but once I got them adjusted and started to get growth quickly after I added them I was hooked. I save my old light just in case but I think now it is safe to put them over a new frag tank I have in mind. A 30 gaklon long my wife is going to love that idea. I am mostly worried now about the long term effects of LED's?