thanks for the replies...sounds like it will take some work. Some of the shrooms are in tough to reach spots, but I'll do my best. I think I'll try the Kalk past after cutting their heads off. I tried injecting kalk saturated water and they only shriveled and then came back. I need full strength kalk!! I remember propogating shrooms with the mesh covered cups. Good thought Andy, Never waste...plenty of people love these red mushrooms and I'm only too happy to sell them at a very reasonable price:D