Picked these up from Reef Solutions last week . I have been busy the last couple weeks redoing my bathroom so I just had a lil extra time to snap a few pics. Chris and Jeff had these under 250w and t5's which are basically the same light combo that I have. I have these at the bottom center of my tank . They are very blue and the size of a paly . The mouth is like a people eater but with a white mouth not green. Since I love paly's, these really caught my eye and had to have them.