Quote Originally Posted by Tom@HaslettMI View Post
jojo,


This is a troubling statement. So by this logic you're alright with dog fighting, circus animals, shark fin soup, removing coral colonies to bleach in the sun to sell to tourists, keeping a yellow tang in a 5 gallon aquarium? What are your thoughts on threatened and endangered species, should they be saved or left to fend for themselves?

Again jojo, I'm not trying to rip you or your values apart but rather present my perspective. I think were having a good discussion but it could be more interesting if we heard more peoples views on these matters.
Dog fighting No, I am very anti fighting as it inflicts unnecessary pain to the animal and while I believe they have no soul they do have feelings and undue pain is wrong IMO, circus animals I do not agree with BUT who am I to tell them how to keep their animals, I wouldn't do it but it is not my choice, shark fin soup is wonderful and something I enjoy when the chance presents it's self, removing coral colonies I also do not agree with as most are protected, and to cause something to no longer exist in order to make a souvenir is wrong in my opinion, future generations would probably like to enjoy them as well, but my views are not based on it being "cruel". Endangered species I agree with helping but once again my view is for preservation for future generations, a yellow tang in a five gallon, no just because it would outgrow the tank and fish have been shown to have "feelings" so again undue stress and possible pain.

I agreed on good conversation until some juveniles hopped in and started with the slamming, I for some reason thought there could be an intellectual conversation on this board without the name calling or snide childish remarks, unfortunately I was wrong, BUT I will continue with those who have something intelligent to add.

For your other statements, I see your points and respect them, but I think you are right that we will have to agree to disagree on those issues.

As for whitetiger, no I do not believe animals have a soul, but with the childish remarks made already I would be remiss to further comment.

But to reply to you statement on your dog. My dogs would die for me, and are trained in protection to do just that they are conditioned to protect under attack to myself and them with single or multiple attackers and when those attackers have weapons including guns, they will protect to their last breath, would I die for them, **** NO. My wife and children need me a whole lot more than I need that dog, and my loyalties lye with my human family first and foremost. I also do not feel that dogs understand love, they are loyal to those who feed and spend time with them, but if sold go right on to "loving" the next owner. True "love" is not so easily broken.