Thanks Guys!! I actually went and bought a the diamond bit cut wheel for the dremel and had got some great directions for an iodine dip. The trach was in bad shape and went ahead and fragged it. Pretty easy to do by the way with that bit. It really was a last resort with not much hope on it getting through but so far it's still alive. Not doing well but alive. It's also in my fuge so it's not being irritated by my dumb diamond goby and gold face goby who are constantly dropping sand on them brains. Anyways, thanks again for sending me that info.