Preggo or faking it?

[seahorsedreams]

Renee, why don't you have faith in highly skilled Scientists that deal with this type of thing?

Ummm.... I do. His name is Marty and he is a pathologist that is a part of our administration team on the Org. He has a lot of experience with seahorse necropsies and spoke at IMAC a couple of years ago about his findings. I consider him a highly skilled scientist.

Would there be something wrong with Angie selling them to someone who just wants some seahorses?

Nope.

Our members here are certainly knowledgeable people here that the Org does.

Huh? Did I imply that? I've been very careful here of not mentioning the Org. But I felt stuck between a rock and a hard place. She was looking for answers and I knew a place that had dealt with this situation time and time again. If my answers weren't putting her at ease maybe she would find the answer to her plight if she had a bunch of different opinions. And she's a posting member there. Marty is familiar with her horse... he did the necropsy afterall and her horse has been discussed over there. I wouldn't have suggested it if she wasn't a member there already.

There is a pathology forum that is a paid for "feature". A lot of money has gone into the results posted there. It is the only forum that requires a paid membership... again I'm not recuiting, just clarifying.

I think I tried to impose to Angie multiple times that I understand how difficult this is.... remember I too went through the exact same plight a few months back. I never accused her of being rude. From dealing with multiple emergency threads I know how things can be taken when you are stressed. Same thing happened to me when mine got sick.

So, I think I will stay out of these conversations in the future.... as I tried to earlier in this thread.

[Sea~Horse~Whisperer]

I don't want anyone to butt out or stay out of conversations. That ruins it for everyone and nobody is comfortable. I think this is my making and I will try to straighten it out. First of all, I didn't agree with the fact that I should treat all of the seahorses like they had myco when they probably didn't. Especially now that I know what I know, but I can't tell you what I may know. Oh never mind, just trust me.

I did call Susan and PM her for support because I was getting upset and I didn't want to loose all of my seahorses over this. She is my friend and I took advantage of that. Sorry Susan, I didn’t mean for it to happen like that. When I got the erectus, I bought them with the intent to breed them and sell them. All of the $ I spent on the tanks, setups, equipment, stock, etc. was an investment that I planned to get a return on. Not a huge return, but enough to cover their expenses and buy more sw stuff while doing something I love. With the one word (myco) I had to face the fact that I have lost it all. Nothing can be saved. Nothing can be reused or recycled. From tank to sand to macros to cleaners, everything must be tossed and replaced with new. (not all will be tossed...they are being given to family) But they are lost to me. I am starting over. 100%

Right now I only have 1 new pair that is in QT for a few more weeks. It's a "good thing the old 75g was leaking". I now have a 100% new tank to start over with that never had any seahorses in it (or anything else for that matter). A new sump will be here this week along with new pumps. I transferred live rock out of my 65g tank for the new 75 to get it cycle quickly, same with some of the sand. I have 50 lbs of new live rock coming to add back to the 65 once it cures. I will probably get another pair of Erectus for my Birthday on the 23rd. of this month. If not, I will have the 1 pair ‘till I can afford to get more. I do still have the 30 babies I rescued from the LFS, so all is not lost.

I do not want to cause a rift between anyone over this. I was just trying to figure out a way to save everything. I could not, and it sucks big time. I did get "defensive" and I was angry with Renee when she said I couldn't or shouldn't do what I wanted. I apologize Renee, and I apologize for bringing Susan into it. I didn't want to hear the truth because it wasn't what I wanted to hear. Just because she was correct, didn't make like it or feel any better. It just ticked me off because even though she was correct, I didn't want to hear it. Sometimes the truth stinks. This time it was close to $1000.00 worth of stink.

Again, I apologize to both Renee and Susan. It has been a trying couple of months with the male sick for so long and the costs of his meds. Then the leaking 75g, plus my daughter had surgery on Thursday the 9th with 4 more operations to go. I was beyond my stress limit and I took it out on everyone.

I will bow out now with my tail between my legs and I hope everything can get back to normal. This is a great site, and I'm sorry things got out of hand. I'm even more sorry that I was the cause of it. I have been a member of this board since before it was a board, lol. I should have known better.

G'night

Angie

[JustDavidP]

Um... WOW! I'm glad I took the weekend off

Angie... I think your decision to put the ponies into retirement, letting them enjoy the comforts of a nice home without the fear of passing along a very sneaky, tricky and very virulent bacteria such as Mycobacteria is the best choice. Let's face it. The future of sygnathidae in marine aquaria will come down to tank raised programs. We ALL have a responsibility here.

I've been around dogs my entire life. There too, breeders face realities of hip dysplasia, eye problems, genetic issues and other health aberrations. It's just a fact of life and we all need to deal with it.

I believe that in starting anew, with the experience and extremely positive networking that you've harvested thus far, that you will once again enjoy being the "seahorse whisperer"

Now.. in closing, I also want to thank Renee, Susan, Mickey and others for having an incredibly knowledgeable conversation, keeping things "in order" and doing what is right for our "charges". You folks truly impress me.

Dave

[JustDavidP]

By the way Angel... Methinks you may have been visiting the Org when they were having a heck of a time with a hacking issue.. Although I WOULD pay to have access to the incredible wealth of information there... we don't have to... and I'd just cry if I couldn't go there and get a daily dose of seahorse, with a side of humor from the Duckster

Dave

[Reef_Angel]

Hello! Renee & Angie, please listen with an open heart and mind to what I will attempt to say. Keep in mind, my tone on this situation is just trying my best to be kind and understanding. One thing I will say about the internet & forums is that you cannont tell what tone of voice people are making their statements in. I believe I stated that I love Seahorse.org, and here at CR we have nothing at all against you posting comments about their site. Feel free, and we insist that if you bring info to our site from the Org, we as Administrator's feel that any usage of their material be credited back to them. We follow this rule with any other sites as well. It's only right! Like I said, we are all on one or more sites for the same reason...to find out helpful information. If we can't find what we need in one place, we'll learn it from another and be the better for the knowledge we gain. I honestly didn't think I said anything meant to be offensive, but I apologize to you if you think that I did. Learning that Seahorse.org isn't a paid membership site, now I can go back there when I need more info when my favorite Forum Supervisor-DavidP isn't here to bail me out of a bind.
I truly believe you when you say that Marty is and excellent pathologist, that he is indeed. I believe I stated that he should come and visit CR sometime! We also have at our disposal in WI one of the finest Veterinary Hospitals that study these issues all the time as well. They are all extremely gifted people that can help us out when we are in need of factual advice relating to our marine pets & any of the other ones we all tend to have. Both my husband and I read everyone's replies about the Org not being paid mebership site, and we were surprised & glad to hear it! Now we can go back there and see if we've been missing anything that we need extra help on. I apologize for not being online a lot lately as I've honestly taken the time to give myself a break once in a while. Other times I may appear online but maybe working in the background building more new and hopefully exciting things for our little place on the net. I check my PM's daily (usally unless I'm not well), and e-mail as well. One thing we aren't is a competitive site. We are who we are....a growing knowledge based, family, friendly website for reefers who wish to come and visit, and maybe even stay for awhile. Please don't read negativity into posts. If you question one, and think you're being replied to rudely...PLEASE drop a note to the person you think is being rude. If that doesn't work, refer to the forum supervisor, Greg (Graphixx) or Jason (Reptoreef), and you may come to either Dakar or Me at any time. We're hands on Administrators and are more than happy to help where needed. More times than not, misunderstood statements can be explained. I'm also happy to call a member, so if you'd like to talk to me personally, PM me with a phone number & a good time to call and I'll be glad to meet you and chat for awhile.

I just learned that my post on Angie's myco pony situation has made Seahorsedreams feel that I was against her thoughts and ideas. I just read an apology letter from Angie for getting me involved. She really didn't get me involved so much as I attempted to look at both points of view and try to come up with hopefully a good outcome. Apparently I failed. Honestly, she never meant anything bad toward Seahorsedreams at all. She was just trying to make very clear that she was doing everything possible to make sure the myco was not spread. Her final decision on it all IMO was excellent, and the I think she did a great job coming to the most humane resolution. Renee....we want your advice and anything else you can lend the board here, so please don't just shut the door on a misunderstanding. If you get a chance, please PM me today so we can talk. I'd really appreciate it. We're all here for the greater good of reef keeping.

As for you Angie....I don't want you to lay low from the board either. You have been here since the very beginning of CR, and we want you to stay right here. There are so many people that have followed some of your heartbreaks, and have become close to you due to the situation. As for me, my 5 little friends :seahorse: are more than enough for me, and I'm so greatful that they decided that they were going to be happy healthy
ones! *knock wood*

Let's all just be happy that Angie is no longer crying of her 4 Erectus. They all have good homes that will not be breeding or selling them. I'm so happy this finally resolved for you Girl!

I hope with all this said, that we can all still be the friends we were and keep our focus on reefing. Everyone has their own approach to reefing, and there's not one of us here that can say another reefer ideas and practices are wrong. We all just need to help those along that ask for our advice, and all parties can agree to disagree, or just be grateful for other amazing ideas!

Everyone have a nice day!
.....Angel :angel1:

Ummm.... I do. His name is Marty and he is a pathologist that is a part of our administration team on the Org. He has a lot of experience with seahorse necropsies and spoke at IMAC a couple of years ago about his findings. I consider him a highly skilled scientist.



Nope.



Huh? Did I imply that? I've been very careful here of not mentioning the Org. But I felt stuck between a rock and a hard place. She was looking for answers and I knew a place that had dealt with this situation time and time again. If my answers weren't putting her at ease maybe she would find the answer to her plight if she had a bunch of different opinions. And she's a posting member there. Marty is familiar with her horse... he did the necropsy afterall and her horse has been discussed over there. I wouldn't have suggested it if she wasn't a member there already.

There is a pathology forum that is a paid for "feature". A lot of money has gone into the results posted there. It is the only forum that requires a paid membership... again I'm not recuiting, just clarifying.

I think I tried to impose to Angie multiple times that I understand how difficult this is.... remember I too went through the exact same plight a few months back. I never accused her of being rude. From dealing with multiple emergency threads I know how things can be taken when you are stressed. Same thing happened to me when mine got sick.

So, I think I will stay out of these conversations in the future.... as I tried to earlier in this thread.

[Sea~Horse~Whisperer]

Thanks Susan. I'm still here. Like I could stay away, lol. Both my mom and my sister are driving me crazy though. They want to know "when" they get the seahorses, lol. Geesh.... this is going to be interresting to say the least. I told them to test the water today and keep track of the numbers. I told them to test every other day for 8 days and them I will let them know "when" they will get the seahorses. I spent today building feeding stations for them both. I also ordered them some books and I sent them links to this forum and the org. Neither one is on the net much, but I do hope they visit us on the boards.

Angie